No Dustbins

Well I guess there are other costs not just the bags. However whatever the maths of it all the club is moving to a single big point on all sites, like many other sites including the ccc. It has been discussed elsewhere on the forum. Can’t say it bothers me much.

As Hja mentions this has been discussed a lot on the forum and mentioned in even more reviews! Unfortunately the Club is not very good at communicating the reasons for doing things in detail, rather depending on some eye grabbing response like the number of plastic bags saved. Whilst that is important there are many other things that need to be explained. Site staff going round a site several times a day emptying and replenishing the bags is costly in time and also not so good for the environment if using a conventionally fueled tractor. 

David

Sadly you have done the maths the wrong way round. You've found how many bags can you buy for £1. 

If 2,500,000 bags cost £636,000 then one bag will cost 636000/2500000 = £0.2544.

I'm not sure if that is a good price or not but I assume they were heavy duty bin bags?

But even if about 25p is expensive 2,500,000 bins bags is a lot that would go into landfill and whatever it took to make them in the first place.

Post edit, a quick search on Tesco is that heavy duty bin bags sell for 22p each. 

We came across this situation at the NYM site, last month - and neither of us like it - for the same reasons that have been mentioned by others. What I don't understand is why bin bags are needed in the first place. indeed the waste will have to be taken out of them anyway, before it can be recycled. 

The East Riding of Yorkshire Council has one of the highest re-cycling rates in the country. All recyclable material at home goes in our blue bin - and if it is put in there in any sort of plastic bag - it won't be collected! Landfill material in the green bin and food and garden waste in the brown bin. Food waste goes in what appears to be little plastic bags - which are actually made from corn starch and therefore compostable - and given away free at LA service centres.

So why can't the club adopt the same principle and rather than collect bin bags full of recyclable waste - take the whole bin (without liners) to the 'industrial' skip and tip it in? An instant saving in the unnecessary use of plastic bags.

What we saw at Whitby was a large percentage of people who either physically couldn't or couldn't be bothered to use the skip, were putting anything and everything in the small bins left around the skips, intended for use by the less able.

A complete farce!

Commercial bin collections are different to domestic. We have to sort our recyclables into two different bins, then one for garden waste, one general waste that goes to the incinerator. No food waste collection.

The reality seems to be that unless recycling is very easy and convenient a number of people won’t do it. We all know that it’s not rocket science to sort the recycling items from the other items, however if someone tips their general rubbish into a recycling bin the whole lot is apparently “contaminated”.

The theory of everyone taking their rubbish to a central point and depositing it into the appropriate bin is very sensible, however, as has been highlighted by other contributors, a number of campers will just get rid of anything at the closest point. There is also a genuine issue with some people who find it difficult to lift the lid open on a big commercial bin (I include myself here as I am not very tall)

Would it be possible to keep the small bins around a site, but use compostable liners?

Even before this new initiative some people dumped any discarded items in any bin. There are now signs on a number of sites telling people to take large items home for disposal. 

A sign of times? Get rid of something you don’t want so that it becomes someone’s else’s problem?

Richard

I think if bins were used without liners they would soon stink to high heaven which in turn would mean they would have to be cleaned on a regular basis and before we know it as much time is spent cleaning as emptying bins with liners at service points? I think centralised bin services are here to stay and people will gradually get used to them and if they have individual difficulties they they will adapt. 

David

David - from practical experience - I disagree. Our recycling bin at home contains paper, cardboard, recyclable plastic, washed cans and yoghurt pots etc. It's all dry(ish) and nothing smells. The food waste - which I do agree has the potential for being smelly - is all contained in those corn-starch bags.  It all goes for composting and each year the LA gives away free bags of said compost to residents. 

I think the biggest hurdle is that different LAs have different standards of recycling and it's high time that was standardised.  If a few can do it more efficiently - why can't the others?

If it's made easy and simple to understand, then I believe most people are keen to recycle. As soon as hurdles are put in place, then it's too easy to say "I can't be bothered".

Richardand ros wrote: I think the biggest hurdle is that different LAs have different standards of recycling and it's high time that was standardised. If a few can do it more efficiently - why can't the others?

I think that's probably also part of the problem - people from dfferent LAs are used to different "rules" on recycling at home.  I know when I've been in different parts of the country, at times it's taken a bit of working out what goes where, if it's not clearly marked.  Different coloured bins to what we have at home, and if there is a bin of the same colour, sometimes those take different waste to what ours does!  Then there are the sites where you are told to put everything in the same bin - that always feels wrong somehow, after decades of separating waste.

We don't have food waste recycling at home at all, yet a neighbouring LA does.  As you say, it's time it was standardised.

The CAMC were about the only sites not to have central collection points. I agree the club did not communicate the change very well, beyond that I simply don’t have a problem with it. Unfortunately for the idealists, out there in the real world people are lazy. despite what  children are taught in schools and parts of the media would have us believe, recycling is not foremost in people’s minds, especially when on holiday. I know these comments will be unpopular and probably have some choking over their recycled meusli pots. I am a realist and observations tell me with my own eyes. I do agree if it becomes difficult people won’t do it but having even more waste separation and using special bin bags etc is completely the opposite. Has anyone ever seen photos of the aftermath of music festivals? And that is from those who are supposedly taught to love the planet?