Club EV charging costs

ChocolateTrees replied on 12/04/2021 16:35

Posted on 12/04/2021 16:35

Hi all, 

as a PHEV and EV driver, I am really please to see the introduction of a cost structure and policy for PHEV and EV charging on site, but I am somewhat confused by the cost structure. 

https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/uk-holidays/uk-sites/club-sites/facilities-on-club-sites/electric-vehicle-charging/

While I understand the desire to ensure that full battery EVs do not "overuse" the service, the 4x cost seems somewhat odd given the constraint that any EV only be charged using the caravan supply at 2.3Kw (10amp). 

In my experience charging my PHEV, realistically a charger has to be turned down to 8A or 6A in order to share the power available with other caravan systems (heating, kettle, microwave, cooker). This means that for a relatively small PHEV battery (11Kwh) a full charge takes 8 hours. Given there are only 24 hours in the day this would give a maximum realistic charge of 33Kwh, about the same as the largest battery quoted in the policy in a PHEV vehicle. 

If charging from a dedicated 16A socket on a power bollard were allowed, this would potentially increase the rate and hence value of the electricity consumed, making the difference in price for BEV and PHEV understandable. It would also make the use of a BEV as a tow vehicle far more viable, not requiring the member to have to find a charging location for the vehicle in what may be a remote location. 

I would love to know other members thoughts on the topic :-)

 

Tobes 

 

brue replied on 05/05/2021 13:27

Posted on 05/05/2021 13:27

Personally I think metering on sites will be the only way to conserve energy and reduce overheads. It doesn't really matter whether it is someone charging an EV or running an array of electrical goods in a van, consumption is the key issue and needs to be brought under control.

At present increased site fees are the only way of controlling energy costs.

Hybrid tow vehicles will become more popular and demand will go up as a consequence. At present club sites are not equipped for the extra demand.

JVB66 replied on 05/05/2021 13:41

Posted on 05/05/2021 13:27 by brue

Personally I think metering on sites will be the only way to conserve energy and reduce overheads. It doesn't really matter whether it is someone charging an EV or running an array of electrical goods in a van, consumption is the key issue and needs to be brought under control.

At present increased site fees are the only way of controlling energy costs.

Hybrid tow vehicles will become more popular and demand will go up as a consequence. At present club sites are not equipped for the extra demand.

Posted on 05/05/2021 13:41

Not many places are equipped for what HMG hope may be the future ?undecided

It will not be sites that will need upgrading but also the power supply to the sites as we noted as did the park and cafes here last week ,when three very large ICE generators were needed while the overloaded(according to national power)was again patched upsurprised

ChocolateTrees replied on 05/05/2021 13:48

Posted on 05/05/2021 12:44 by Oscarmax

We used to go to a fully serviced Cl up until a couple of years ago, they intended to install metered pitches, the first 10 kWh included in the site fee then chargeable over the 10 kWh. They were having problems with awning heaters air conditioning even when unoccupied, that we could understand.

In response they put up a sign no charging of electric vehicles which we full understand, however to charge up your electric bike or mobility scooter £6.00 ?

We informed them we have 2 80 watt solar panels on the roof so don't use the caravans charger, and charge up the mobility scooter using our invertor ? still £6.00.

 

Posted on 05/05/2021 13:48

Yeah £6 to Charge an E-bike or mobility scooter is nuts. You can charge a PHEV for £2 and get 30 miles out of it. That’s simply a miss match in understanding vs reality. But education is the key. 

 

JVB66 replied on 05/05/2021 13:51

Posted on 05/05/2021 13:48 by ChocolateTrees

Yeah £6 to Charge an E-bike or mobility scooter is nuts. You can charge a PHEV for £2 and get 30 miles out of it. That’s simply a miss match in understanding vs reality. But education is the key. 

 

Posted on 05/05/2021 13:51

It would depend, I suspect. on what the CL was being charged for their power

ChocolateTrees replied on 05/05/2021 13:59

Posted on 05/05/2021 13:41 by JVB66

Not many places are equipped for what HMG hope may be the future ?undecided

It will not be sites that will need upgrading but also the power supply to the sites as we noted as did the park and cafes here last week ,when very large ICE generators were needed while the overloaded(according to national power)was again patched upsurprised

Posted on 05/05/2021 13:59

I think a lot of places are well equipped to deal with the future, club sites more than others. The challenge is how to effectively charge for it (at a club site) or anywhere else. What is needed is an holistic policy that encompasses all energy usage , encourages economical use and does not penalise some users over others. A blanket charging approach would definitely do this, but is perhaps expensive to implement .

JVB66 replied on 05/05/2021 14:08

Posted on 05/05/2021 13:59 by ChocolateTrees

I think a lot of places are well equipped to deal with the future, club sites more than others. The challenge is how to effectively charge for it (at a club site) or anywhere else. What is needed is an holistic policy that encompasses all energy usage , encourages economical use and does not penalise some users over others. A blanket charging approach would definitely do this, but is perhaps expensive to implement .

Posted on 05/05/2021 14:08

It will be as noted here. old and/or inadequate infrastructure from the power companies that will hold things up. ,most club sites i think? are on 3phase supply,with 50/60amp fuses/breakers 

Tinwheeler replied on 05/05/2021 14:12

Posted on 05/05/2021 14:12

"I think a lot of places are well equipped to deal with the future, club sites more than others."

I'm not so sure. The UK does not have infinite capacity for generating power and club sites in rural areas are likely to be less equipped to cope, not more.

The program of building more power stations is evidence of the UK's less than adequate generating ability while the frequent overload to club site systems demonstrates they can barely cope now. 

The fee charging issue is rather academic until the supply is there to meet anticipated demand. 

Oscarmax replied on 05/05/2021 14:18

Posted on 05/05/2021 14:08 by JVB66

It will be as noted here. old and/or inadequate infrastructure from the power companies that will hold things up. ,most club sites i think? are on 3phase supply,with 56/60amp fuses/breakers 

Posted on 05/05/2021 14:18

I would imagine the majority of CMC underground cabling is nearing 25 years plus

JVB66 replied on 05/05/2021 14:30

Posted on 05/05/2021 14:18 by Oscarmax

I would imagine the majority of CMC underground cabling is nearing 25 years plus

Posted on 05/05/2021 14:30

And quite a few would not have had EHU when first opened, and even then when EHU was first installed it would have been 10amp, the power to the site will even now probably be the the original before any EHUs were installed 

ChocolateTrees replied on 05/05/2021 16:31

Posted on 05/05/2021 13:51 by JVB66

It would depend, I suspect. on what the CL was being charged for their power

Posted on 05/05/2021 16:31

Of course it will depend on the CLs cost, but not to that extent. E-Bikes have batteries around 500 - 800 Wh. Really big mobility scooters about the same (12v 55Ah = 660Wh). Even if you are paying an extortionate rate for electricity (50p/kWh) then its about 30p. (For reference I pay 13p/kWh in the day at home, making filling an e-bike battery 7.8pence. For £6 at 13p/kWh I could drive my electric car 150 miles.)