Club EV charging costs

ChocolateTrees replied on 12/04/2021 16:35

Posted on 12/04/2021 16:35

Hi all, 

as a PHEV and EV driver, I am really please to see the introduction of a cost structure and policy for PHEV and EV charging on site, but I am somewhat confused by the cost structure. 

https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/uk-holidays/uk-sites/club-sites/facilities-on-club-sites/electric-vehicle-charging/

While I understand the desire to ensure that full battery EVs do not "overuse" the service, the 4x cost seems somewhat odd given the constraint that any EV only be charged using the caravan supply at 2.3Kw (10amp). 

In my experience charging my PHEV, realistically a charger has to be turned down to 8A or 6A in order to share the power available with other caravan systems (heating, kettle, microwave, cooker). This means that for a relatively small PHEV battery (11Kwh) a full charge takes 8 hours. Given there are only 24 hours in the day this would give a maximum realistic charge of 33Kwh, about the same as the largest battery quoted in the policy in a PHEV vehicle. 

If charging from a dedicated 16A socket on a power bollard were allowed, this would potentially increase the rate and hence value of the electricity consumed, making the difference in price for BEV and PHEV understandable. It would also make the use of a BEV as a tow vehicle far more viable, not requiring the member to have to find a charging location for the vehicle in what may be a remote location. 

I would love to know other members thoughts on the topic :-)

 

Tobes 

 

peedee replied on 05/05/2021 16:59

Posted on 05/05/2021 16:59

There are 30 + charging providers in the UK, but you can think of the providers as Shell, BP, Esso etc, and the systems as petrol or diesel (or high octane Petrol or high octane diesel). All the providers use the same pump type, you just have to pick the right one for your car.

But there is no common payment method yet. One vendors card won't work in anothers. Use of contactless payment is a step in the right direction but it is not universal yet.

peedee

ChocolateTrees replied on 05/05/2021 17:02

Posted on 05/05/2021 14:12 by Tinwheeler

"I think a lot of places are well equipped to deal with the future, club sites more than others."

I'm not so sure. The UK does not have infinite capacity for generating power and club sites in rural areas are likely to be less equipped to cope, not more.

The program of building more power stations is evidence of the UK's less than adequate generating ability while the frequent overload to club site systems demonstrates they can barely cope now. 

The fee charging issue is rather academic until the supply is there to meet anticipated demand. 

Posted on 05/05/2021 17:02

The UK program of new power station building is being driven by replacing old equipment that is being taken out of service with new, not by increasing net demand. The peak UK usage had dropped in recent times (since peak of 2005). There is more of a challenge at the DNO level and at the local level, no argument, and individual club sites will each have different issues. But this is a good point in time to examine what they do have and how it can be prepared for the future. 

I am not expecting a short term fix, (that is in place with the EV charging policy) but a longer term strategy that looks to take the club into the future. By the time 2030 comes, I will be on my 3rd or 4th EV and have been towing with some form of electric vehicle for over 13 years. I may be in the tiny minority now, but it would be good for the club to be ready for when the even the large minority are on EV rather than wait to have a plan for the majority?

 

cyberyacht replied on 05/05/2021 17:10

Posted on 05/05/2021 17:10

OscarMax wrote "We informed them we have 2 80 watt solar panels on the roof so don't use the caravans charger, and charge up the mobility scooter using our invertor ? still £6.00."

Am I reading this right. You are being charged even though you aren't using EHU?

Tinwheeler replied on 05/05/2021 17:13

Posted on 05/05/2021 17:13

"I may be in the tiny minority now, but it would be good for the club to be ready for when the even the large minority are on EV rather than wait to have a plan for the majority"

Did you ever do as I suggested on page 1 and contact the club with your thoughts? If so, did it result in any definite information which would obviate the need for speculation which, as far as most of us know, has little or no basis in fact?

vbfg replied on 05/05/2021 17:28

Posted on 05/05/2021 16:31 by ChocolateTrees

Of course it will depend on the CLs cost, but not to that extent. E-Bikes have batteries around 500 - 800 Wh. Really big mobility scooters about the same (12v 55Ah = 660Wh). Even if you are paying an extortionate rate for electricity (50p/kWh) then its about 30p. (For reference I pay 13p/kWh in the day at home, making filling an e-bike battery 7.8pence. For £6 at 13p/kWh I could drive my electric car 150 miles.) 

Posted on 05/05/2021 17:28

I seem to recall reading that some CLs won't allow charging of electric bikes which I do think is rather petty.  Perhaps they could charge 50p a night extra for each bike that is going to be recharged and show it on their on  their website so people are aware of it.  Three years ago I stayed at the CL at Hatton  Country World.  It is situated next to the rally field and some cheeky people on the rally field had pitched right against the hedge and hooked up to the spare CL hook up.

ChocolateTrees replied on 05/05/2021 17:30

Posted on 05/05/2021 16:59 by peedee

There are 30 + charging providers in the UK, but you can think of the providers as Shell, BP, Esso etc, and the systems as petrol or diesel (or high octane Petrol or high octane diesel). All the providers use the same pump type, you just have to pick the right one for your car.

But there is no common payment method yet. One vendors card won't work in anothers. Use of contactless payment is a step in the right direction but it is not universal yet.

peedee

Posted on 05/05/2021 17:30

"But there is no common payment method yet. One vendors card won't work in anothers. Use of contactless payment is a step in the right direction but it is not universal yet." 

But all new public chargers have to have contactless as well as whatever RFID or app based approach the company chooses to use. So thats not an issue for public charging at a club site, or for private (member only) at a club site where some other mechanism could be used. 

 

ChocolateTrees replied on 05/05/2021 17:37

Posted on 05/05/2021 17:37

"Did you ever do as I suggested on page 1 and contact the club with your thoughts? If so, did it result in any definite information which would obviate the need for speculation which, as far as most of us know, has little or no basis in fact?"

No - not yet. I am interested in a public discussion on the topic and to see what opinions others hold in order to refine my own thinking before I contact them. 

So far my take is that charging EVs, the payment for it and the provision of dedicated charging capacity, needs to be part of wider reform by the club in overall electricity use. 

Tinwheeler replied on 05/05/2021 17:49

Posted on 05/05/2021 17:37 by ChocolateTrees

"Did you ever do as I suggested on page 1 and contact the club with your thoughts? If so, did it result in any definite information which would obviate the need for speculation which, as far as most of us know, has little or no basis in fact?"

No - not yet. I am interested in a public discussion on the topic and to see what opinions others hold in order to refine my own thinking before I contact them. 

So far my take is that charging EVs, the payment for it and the provision of dedicated charging capacity, needs to be part of wider reform by the club in overall electricity use. 

Posted on 05/05/2021 17:49

With respect, I don’t think you can make any assumption based on the posts here. The club has hundreds of thousands of members but only a  handful post on this forum. In no way can the views expressed here be seen as representative of the whole membership.

I fear that any survey on the subject will always reflect the individuals' views of what will be of most benefit to them rather than what will be the best way for the club to manage the issue in a businesslike and effective manner. 

brue replied on 05/05/2021 19:08

Posted on 05/05/2021 19:08

 I think the main problem with the CAMC EV/PHEV  offering is the loss of power to the van when the charge is being used so it isn't a satisfactory way of dealing with the situation. The supply is 16amp and whilst a charge is being taken the supply to the van is reduced. A pitch fee covers electrical usage in general but an extra fee is charged for a PHEV/EV charge even though the user is actually doing a balancing act with what is supplied. The user can't draw more than the supply and an adjoining pitch user without a PHEV/EV may well be using the domestic element with every conceivable appliance at the highest level too. 

I think this is the main gist of the conversation on here written by the OP and as an EV user I would be in agreement, but we won't be attempting to charge ours on a site, this is indeed a juggling act for which we would have to pay an extra fee!

 

Oscarmax replied on 05/05/2021 19:26

Posted on 05/05/2021 17:10 by cyberyacht

OscarMax wrote "We informed them we have 2 80 watt solar panels on the roof so don't use the caravans charger, and charge up the mobility scooter using our invertor ? still £6.00."

Am I reading this right. You are being charged even though you aren't using EHU?

Posted on 05/05/2021 19:26

Hi Cyberyacht

We use the EHU, but we do not switch the charger on, in fact I cannot remember the last time we switched in on.

We only use the EHU to run the fridge and power up the 600 watt Remoska