Fiat Ducato Autotrail

Youngbunch replied on 09/07/2019 17:34

Posted on 09/07/2019 17:34

Hello, we have a 2013 automatic Autotrail and have now experienced the following twice.

Pull into a service station, stop for a break, 30 mins approx. then go to start. The ignition lights up, glow-plug warning illuminates and disappears quick (good, I think) but the starter does not turn (just a feint whirr in the background). Can retry several times with the same outcome. leave it 10 mins and it starts no problem. Oil Temp midway, levels all ok.

Starts all other times no problem. Have had the vehicle for 3 years+ now and never had this before.

This has happened within 2 weeks while touring France (I mention it because it has been very hot and may be a factor).

Anyone else experienced this or have any idea what may be going on ?

 

 

EmilysDad replied on 09/07/2019 17:52

Posted on 09/07/2019 17:52

My first thought would be the starter motor itself or failing that it could be iffy wiring or connections to the starter .... my 24v Senator used to do similar and that was a known fault in that the loom was only just about up to spec even when new ....

replied on 09/07/2019 18:09

Posted on 09/07/2019 18:09

Before I looked further I would clean beneath earth connections to vehicle body and engine including starter motor. Poor earths can throw up some strange happenings.

EmilysDad replied on 09/07/2019 18:42

Posted on 09/07/2019 18:34 by Youngbunch

Thanks for the quick replies. Can easily check earths here but starter may be crossed fingers until I get home. Have cover if the inevitable happens so we’ll see.

Posted on 09/07/2019 18:42

Let's hope you don't need to use your brake down cover.🤞

You could always park on hills & bump start it ..... 😉

young thomas replied on 09/07/2019 19:29

Posted on 09/07/2019 19:29

you could post your query on Outandaboutlive (the MMM forum) and they have a resident Fiat expert called Nick Fisher who posts as Euroserve (I think that's his commercial transport business).

replied on 09/07/2019 19:58

Posted on 09/07/2019 19:58

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QFour replied on 10/07/2019 07:25

Posted on 10/07/2019 07:25

Sometimes you get a delay while the Auto mechanism puts the vehicle in neutral before it tries to start the engine. You can follow whats happening on the small screen as it shows the gears being changed. If there is a fault then it should be logged in the software and be easy to find. 

Youngbunch replied on 13/07/2019 07:20

Posted on 13/07/2019 07:20

Done it again. After filling up failed to start. Pushed into space and tried for 30 mins before calling breakdown cover. As I was talking through the call and fault I was asked to check mileage, turned ignition on and carried on to see if it would start and start it did !!!! Does seem to be heat related however when I stopped at destination 2 hours later it restarted no problem.

breakdown company now have details on record should I call back but it  will be a difficult one to reproduce if it starts when they arrive !

DavidKlyne replied on 13/07/2019 09:33

Posted on 09/07/2019 17:52 by EmilysDad

My first thought would be the starter motor itself or failing that it could be iffy wiring or connections to the starter .... my 24v Senator used to do similar and that was a known fault in that the loom was only just about up to spec even when new ....

Posted on 13/07/2019 09:33

I had a Vauxhall Carlton that did the same!!! It was fine when it was running but if you stopped after a long run, especially towing, it would not start. I remember arriving, at I think, Clumber Park when site use to close for lunch. A chap saw me struggling and offered to help. He produced a large screwdriver from his boot and obviously created a connection with the screwdriver and it started. Didn't stop me needing a new starter motor!

David

TonyIshUK replied on 18/07/2019 18:25

Posted on 18/07/2019 18:25

My feeling echos others comments, one of the field windings on the starter motor is starting to fail.  Either too hot (short circuit) or stopping or failing to energise when current is applied.

Rgds

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