Pin 9

Posted on 26/10/2019 08:17 by

I'm in full agreement Phishing, but can you really see CC Ltd doing as you suggest in your last para?

Posted on 26/10/2019 19:42 by

I like your thinking but ultimately the responsibility for ensuring the rig is safe to use on the highway is that of the driver.  In many areas CC Ltd could do so much more for its customers but it consistently fails to do so.  It pretends to be a club but acts as a hard nosed commercial company.

Posted on 26/10/2019 20:11 by Phishing

Not in this case. The driver asks for a 12pin towbar fitment and is not responsible for the safe operation of this, the supplier is.

This is because the customer is deemed in law not to be a technical expert and not to have the knowledge or equipment to be able to make a reasonable judgement as to the compliance with an engineering standard. The supplier is.  

This does not negate the drivers responsibility to be safe on the highway but if the company contracted to fit the parts (whatever they are, tyres, brakes, towbar) fits sub standard parts then they may be liable to prosecution in the event of an accident attributed to the supply and fitment of those parts.

In this case I suggest that not fitting the supply to the braking system for reasons of cost saving to them is not acceptable.

Maybe we expect too much from the club as a body that is prepared to lobby on behalf members but they do have a legal team. The expectation to use this for the benefit of members is reasonable. 

Posted on 26/10/2019 22:00 by lornalou1

like I said in earlier post, if customer asked for a towbar and electrics then that is what he got with all lights working. If he had asked for  dedicated electrics with all pins working ( so ATC would work) then its the supplier that's at fault for not fitting what was asked for.

Posted on 27/10/2019 20:14 by Phishing

Can you advise where in the published standard that it is an option to leave bits out?

This a legal document that defines the required circuits for safe operation of the equipment.

There is no option of not having these circuits fitted.

The reason for that is that the OP may not need these circuits for his current rig. He then sells the car to someone who does have ATC fitted.

Due to the fact that it doesn't have ATC feed fitted they crash and die. 

This is why it is not an option.

There is not such accepted terminology as towbar electrics, dedicated electrics etc, they are made up by the suppliers.

It is an  MOT fail not to have the correct towbar wiring on  a vehicle, i.e. pins 9 and 10 are not populated.

Posted on 27/10/2019 20:14 by Phishing

Can you advise where in the published standard that it is an option to leave bits out?

This a legal document that defines the required circuits for safe operation of the equipment.

There is no option of not having these circuits fitted.

The reason for that is that the OP may not need these circuits for his current rig. He then sells the car to someone who does have ATC fitted.

Due to the fact that it doesn't have ATC feed fitted they crash and die. 

This is why it is not an option.

There is not such accepted terminology as towbar electrics, dedicated electrics etc, they are made up by the suppliers.

It is an  MOT fail not to have the correct towbar wiring on  a vehicle, i.e. pins 9 and 10 are not populated.