Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act, 1960

BirchHillFarmCL replied on 08/09/2019 19:06

Posted on 08/09/2019 19:06

Although the CAMC may have 'gold plated' some aspects of the 1960 Act, the 5-van part of it is a key aspect that cannot be changed without reviewing the whole Act.

That simply isn't going to happen - it is too big a piece of legislation, with too many interested parties, including Club-owned sites, CLs, ralliers, and more significantly, the trade organisations of static caravan sites, such as the British Holiday & Home Parks Association.

Clubs such as the CAMC and C&CC have too much to lose if a review of the Act goes in the wrong direction.

The other factor if trying to change the Act is that the government has different priorities at present, so anyone trying to change the 1960 Act would just be wasting their time.

The 5-van limit was a concession to landowners to avoid the need for small sites to go through the full process of Planning Permission.  Landowners (and Club members) should see this as a benefit, rather than an imposition.

If CL Owners want more than 5 vans on their land, they then need to go via the Planning Permission process and be licenced by their local council. This is costly and the site owner would also be responsible for their own advertising. The CAMC website and Sites Directory are easier and cheaper ways for landowners to promote small caravan sites.

'No Tents' is a CAMC rule, rather than the law, but if CL owners want to stay with the CAMC, they need to play by Club rules.

  • The C&CC and Freedom Camping Club allow tents under the 1960 Act, but those are much smaller organisations, with fewer members as potential guests. The CAMC is the 'brand leader'.
  • The C&CC charges landowners £165 + VAT every 2 years to operate CSs (equivalent to CLs). It does not allow CS Owners to advertise their CSs outside the main C&CC website and C&CC Sites Handbook, i.e. no personal websites, and no FaceBook pages to promote the CS.  (The CAMC simply asks that new CL Owners pay the same membership fee as other Club members.)

If CL Owners break the law, by over-booking, allowing tents or having non-recreational guests (e.g. workers or residents), they are putting the interests of Club members and the businesses of other CL Owners at risk in 2 ways:

  • The CAMC could lose its status of being allowed to issue operating Certificates to CLs.
  • If a neighbouring CL is struggling with lack of bookings, a CL Owner that overbooks is potentially damaging their neighbour’s income stream.

By recommending neighbouring CLs, it helps a CL Owner’s local economy; the neighbour might return the favour; and our experience is that the people we turned-away will probably pop-in to see what they've missed, and often book us for their next holiday.

Ian Kelly
01691 622951
Holiday@BirchHill.co.uk
Birch Hill, The Cross, Ellesmere, Shropshire, SY12 0LP
www.BirchHill.co.uk

Birch Hill Farm – relax at our award-winning hideaway in the beautiful lake-lands of Shropshire - exclusively for members of the Caravan and Motorhome Club

Tinwheeler replied on 08/09/2019 19:34

Posted on 08/09/2019 19:34

Great post, Ian. You’ve stated, very articulately, points I’ve been trying to get across for some time.

I'm frequently surprised at the number of site reviews that casually mention there were 5/6/7 other units on site along with the reviewer. I feel the inspection, reporting and policing process must be sadly lacking in some respects.

Trini replied on 08/09/2019 19:55

Posted on 08/09/2019 19:55

Does it matter really? As long as there is room and adequate facilities as advertised we have stayed on a few CLs where there were additional vans and all was well.

I was told by a CL owner that the 6th pitch was for a relief 'warden' when they were away on holiday.

We all have a living to make and as the saying goes 'make hay while the sun shines'

JVB66 replied on 08/09/2019 20:14

Posted on 08/09/2019 19:55 by Trini

Does it matter really? As long as there is room and adequate facilities as advertised we have stayed on a few CLs where there were additional vans and all was well.

I was told by a CL owner that the 6th pitch was for a relief 'warden' when they were away on holiday.

We all have a living to make and as the saying goes 'make hay while the sun shines'

Posted on 08/09/2019 20:14

And by condoning what you accept, when the inevitable happens at the CL is closed ,you would also probably be one of the first to jump up and down in rage at the closures,undecided

Tinwheeler replied on 08/09/2019 20:16

Posted on 08/09/2019 19:55 by Trini

Does it matter really? As long as there is room and adequate facilities as advertised we have stayed on a few CLs where there were additional vans and all was well.

I was told by a CL owner that the 6th pitch was for a relief 'warden' when they were away on holiday.

We all have a living to make and as the saying goes 'make hay while the sun shines'

Posted on 08/09/2019 20:16

Whether you think it matters or not, the law is what it is. Does it matter if someone nicks a Jag or shoplifts or embezzles funds?

Break the law and penalties will be imposed and, in the case of 5van certification, we could all be losers.

Dorset Diver replied on 09/09/2019 07:01

Posted on 08/09/2019 20:16 by Tinwheeler

Whether you think it matters or not, the law is what it is. Does it matter if someone nicks a Jag or shoplifts or embezzles funds?

Break the law and penalties will be imposed and, in the case of 5van certification, we could all be losers.

Posted on 09/09/2019 07:01

Isn't the point that they are not breaking the law only the CC Ltd rules.  It's a weighty bit of legislation and contains exception which I suspect the CC Ltd rules do not.

Tinwheeler replied on 09/09/2019 07:46

Posted on 09/09/2019 07:01 by Dorset Diver

Isn't the point that they are not breaking the law only the CC Ltd rules.  It's a weighty bit of legislation and contains exception which I suspect the CC Ltd rules do not.

Posted on 09/09/2019 07:46

It’s an act of Parliament, not a CAMC rule. 

JVB66 replied on 09/09/2019 08:01

Posted on 09/09/2019 07:01 by Dorset Diver

Isn't the point that they are not breaking the law only the CC Ltd rules.  It's a weighty bit of legislation and contains exception which I suspect the CC Ltd rules do not.

Posted on 09/09/2019 08:01

The point is nothing to do with the cc or ccc ltd companies or any other organisation that is allowed to take advantage of the legislation that for it to be varied will need an ammendment  to the act of parliament, 

Good job you had some one sitting in front of you to advise you of the legislation and laws in your past "post" undecided

EasyT replied on 09/09/2019 08:03

Posted on 08/09/2019 19:55 by Trini

Does it matter really? As long as there is room and adequate facilities as advertised we have stayed on a few CLs where there were additional vans and all was well.

I was told by a CL owner that the 6th pitch was for a relief 'warden' when they were away on holiday.

We all have a living to make and as the saying goes 'make hay while the sun shines'

Posted on 09/09/2019 08:03

It matters. When I use a CL, just the same as any site, I endeavour to stick to terms and conditions (my side of the bargain) and I expect the site owner to stick to theirs (their side of the bargain) .......... whoever they might be.