CL Site Owners' Website

CholseyGrange replied on 14/01/2021 15:48

Posted on 14/01/2021 15:48

If you are a keen supporter of the CL network you might like to know that there's a dedicated support group for CL owners where they share best practice, information and encourage other landowners to set up new CLs. 

The group liaises with the Club on a regular basis, but like the CLs themeselves, it is entirely independent. The group receives no financial support or direction from the Club.The group was formed in 2014 and now has over 600 members.  Find out more on our website

How you can help: If you are visiting a CL and think they could benefit from advice or support from fellow CL owners, please point them in the direction of the group.  Likewise, if you know someone with a great spot for a new CL, the Owners Group website is a complementary source of information to the Clubs own guide for setting up a CL.

The group is entirely run by volunteers (all CL owners), is free to join and welcomes feedback from CAMC members, especially those with knowledge of the CL network!

Takethedogalong replied on 16/01/2021 10:05

Posted on 16/01/2021 10:05

Same here, we have no issues with metered usage. The only downside is the cost of infrastructure for the CL owner, which I suppose has to be reflected in prices charged. Initially, it might put prices up, but then those like us with a small outfit are more likely to benefit.

I wouldn’t use the term “nitty gritty” myself, but that’s just me.

Tinwheeler replied on 16/01/2021 10:09

Posted on 16/01/2021 10:09

Metering has the downside for the CL owner of having the need for someone to be on hand to calculate the electricity costs at the time the customer leaves.

As David said, two tier pricing for the varying months is simple.

JVB66 replied on 16/01/2021 10:13

Posted on 16/01/2021 09:04 by CholseyGrange

Thank you again for all you comments and support of the CL network in general. 

Some comments went 'off-topic' from the purpose Original Post, but that seems to be the nature of discussions on this forum!

The feedback regarding motorhome usage of CL sites for one night is noted.  As Peedee points out the growth in motorhome ownership and the popularity of the routes in Scotland are where this practice has become an issue for owners, it does not seem to be an issue for owners elsewhere in the UK, so if you are Motorhomer visiting CLs, please don't feel excluded, we very much appreciate your business.

There are many other topics on the CL Owners Website that we would welcome your views on. https://www.clsiteowners.co.uk

FYI, the issue that is of greatest concern to most CLs who provide EHU during the colder months is the rising cost of electricity and the growing use of electric by ever-larger units that now rely on electric (rather than gas) heating.  But this is a topic that has been much debated hgere on CT already, and the solution is to hand: Metrering and charging at cost for usage.  

Posted on 16/01/2021 10:13

To mitigate the "concerns" of some about the cost of metered EHU if installed  ,Would you have any idea of what it would cost to install the infrastucture to enable what some want

brue replied on 16/01/2021 10:16

Posted on 16/01/2021 10:16

We've used a coin operated meter on one CL, any residue from a previous user was left for the next and so on....I have to say we were super cautious with usage! It's not for every CL or user but some might deem it necessary on a popular all year round site. On the other hand we're happy without EHU so It's not something of personal concern. I'd hate to think potential CL users were put off by the possible demands for a "perfect" CL.

JVB66 replied on 16/01/2021 10:21

Posted on 16/01/2021 10:09 by Tinwheeler

Metering has the downside for the CL owner of having the need for someone to be on hand to calculate the electricity costs at the time the customer leaves.

As David said, two tier pricing for the varying months is simple.

Posted on 16/01/2021 10:21

There could be a system of smart cards as are in use for waterways users where a card is loaded and then used in  EHUs/water supplies

Takethedogalong replied on 16/01/2021 10:32

Posted on 16/01/2021 10:01 by DavidKlyne

Ted said:- 

FYI, the issue that is of greatest concern to most CLs who provide EHU during the colder months is the rising cost of electricity and the growing use of electric by ever-larger units that now rely on electric (rather than gas) heating. But this is a topic that has been much debated here on CT already, and the solution is to hand: Metering and charging at cost for usage.

I don't think I would have an objection to a metered electric supply having used them in Europe. The proviso being that the charge reflected the cost to the CL owner. However from a CL owners point of view would this not be taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut? Installing said meters would, I imagine, be fairly expensive? Plus there is also the inconvenience to the camper if there is a multitude of different systems. Is not the most simple approach not to just make a surcharge of £2/3 per night from October to March? Would that really put people off? For it to work I think you would have to get a fair number of CL owners to do the same so it looked as if it was standard practice?

David

Posted on 16/01/2021 10:32

Whatever is surcharged needs to reflect reality, otherwise it will please no one though DK. If it’s too low, the owners are still subsidising electrical usage. If it’s set too high, those of us that do tour through Winter, but don’t sit all day tied to a bollard sucking up power won’t want to pay an extra £5-£6 for nothing. We are off pitch, out and about. 

Many camper van owners and motorhome owners don’t join the Club because they find the site fees too excessive. We have two family members who tell us this. We have mentioned the CL network, and how much better value than Club Sites it is. If the CL network starts to get into Club Site pricing, I can see some current Members walking away. It’s nowhere near that at present, but  it’s clear the super CLs are out there, and there’s obviously a market. 

peedee replied on 16/01/2021 10:38

Posted on 16/01/2021 10:38

It would be interesting to know what is currently available and the costs. Obviously each CL owner would have to look at it in the same way they look at the provision of toilets and hard standings. If CL owners start introducing winter rates I can see that having metering might turn out to be a competitive advantage.

Its not beyond the Club to recommend a standard in conjection with CL owners.

peedee

cyberyacht replied on 16/01/2021 10:50

Posted on 16/01/2021 10:50

Ted wrote: "but more established CLs find that a one-nighter can often 'block' a longer booking and will only consider having them to stay either to fill-in a gap or as a last-minute booking if it suits them."

Do 'one-nighters' book ahead anyway? I would have thought a phone call either on the day or possibly the night before which would easily fill the odd gap. A bit of welcome extra cash provided it, at least, covered the "dump & fill" cost.

Any 'wild camping' I do is the odd night en-route to somewhere that I would be stopping at for a few days, so generally the "dump and fill" is on a site that I am staying at for a while.

JVB66 replied on 16/01/2021 10:58

Posted on 16/01/2021 10:38 by peedee

It would be interesting to know what is currently available and the costs. Obviously each CL owner would have to look at it in the same way they look at the provision of toilets and hard standings. If CL owners start introducing winter rates I can see that having metering might turn out to be a competitive advantage.

Its not beyond the Club to recommend a standard in conjection with CL owners.

peedee

Posted on 16/01/2021 10:58

One we stayed at in Norfolk last year, now two CLs as one small sitethe owner(a farmer) was always willing to say that his two year old small toilet /shower building had cost him over £60,000 get builtsurprised

Tinwheeler replied on 16/01/2021 10:58

Posted on 16/01/2021 10:21 by JVB66

There could be a system of smart cards as are in use for waterways users where a card is loaded and then used in  EHUs/water supplies

Posted on 16/01/2021 10:58

Then you have the issue of obtaining refunds for unused credit.

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