Servicing calls at CLs for Motorcaravans

Biggarmac replied on 18/01/2021 17:08

Posted on 18/01/2021 17:08

In 2020 when lockdown was lifted in July there was a surge of members desperate to get out in their units.  Sites were swamped and in some areas it was impossible to find a site.  Many motorcaravanners who had not previously gone off grid (I refuse to use the term wildcamp) found they had no choice.  I was lucky to get three nights on a CL at Blairgowrie during a 10 night tour. and one night on a commercial campsite in the Great Glen.  On other nights I stayed in Pub carparks where I was able to enjoy a meal, in forestry carparks, on coastal carparks and on friends drives.

The big problem was disposing of wastes and filling with water.  Friends with drives were very helpful, but the problem of lack of the type facilities such as there is on the continent was very evident.

On the continent many campsites allow non residents on to service their units, for a fee.  It could be an additional revenue stream for CL owners to allow passing trade to use their service points.  This would be particularly useful for CLs who are full to supplement their income and to reduce the problems which were seem in many popular tourist hotspots last year.  The owners would need to look at what extra costs they would have for this service and what services they would be able to provide.  For instance how much does 100 litres of water cost on a metered supply?  How much each toilet emptying would add to the cost of sewerage?  How much for emptying a greywater supply of say 80 litres?  For comparison the CCC, on some sites, allow members to use site facilities, empty wastes and fill water for £7.30 (last years price).  That also allows for the use of showers.

This would stop the complaint that one night stopovers to dump and fill are blocking longer bookings.  A drop in facility could be a bonus for both CL owners and Motorcaravanners.

Cornersteady replied on 18/01/2021 17:24

Posted on 18/01/2021 17:24

I think you might find answer on page of 2 of a thread already covering this here: https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/club-together/discussions/sites-touring/certificated-locations/cl-site-owners-website/?p=2

One answer from one CL owner:

Some might say there is an 'opportunity' for CLs to offer a service whereby Motorhomes call in, dump, top-up and go. However, this practice may be seen as operating a 'waste transfer station' as the customer is not staying overnight. Also, it increases traffic on a site and still involves collecting money, book-keeping and generally being around and available on the off-chance someone wanted this. Personally, I wouldn't contemplate the hassle and invasion of privacy & use of my metered water, costly (to empty) CDP etc. for less than £30

Biggarmac replied on 18/01/2021 17:28

Posted on 18/01/2021 17:28

That owner sees only the negatives and not the opportunity that a service stop offering would provide.  Others may see that it is way to supplement income in these difficult times.

Tinwheeler replied on 18/01/2021 17:34

Posted on 18/01/2021 17:34

BM, you'll find lots of info in the thread Corners linked to.

In short, if some CL owners aren't looking favourably on MHs staying for only one night, there’s little chance of them welcoming non site stayers who want only to use the dump and fill facilities. Perhaps you need to make contact directly with the CL owners group to put your case.

Incidentally, off grid camping is using sites with no EHU (grid) connection. Camping elsewhere other than dedicated sites or permitted stopping areas is wildcamping. It must be pleasing for you to see some councils in Scotland now setting up aire type facilities.👍🏻

Cornersteady replied on 18/01/2021 17:38

Posted on 18/01/2021 17:28 by Biggarmac

That owner sees only the negatives and not the opportunity that a service stop offering would provide.  Others may see that it is way to supplement income in these difficult times.

Posted on 18/01/2021 17:38

I have no idea what he or she or others may see. It will up to the CL owners to act or not.  On the link I gave you was information (quoted by that owner I posted above btw) that might help you:

...dedicated support group for CL owners where they share best practice, information and encourage other landowners to set up new CLs. 

The group liaises with the Club on a regular basis, but like the CLs themeselves, it is entirely independent. The group receives no financial support or direction from the Club.The group was formed in 2014 and now has over 600 members.  Find out more on our website. 

JVB66 replied on 18/01/2021 17:42

Posted on 18/01/2021 17:42

I agree with the post corners has posted the "negatives?" as you put it far atway any positives that a few may want to use ,and as posted by the cl owner, It would mean a presence "in case" ,and the charges that would need to be would as the ccc are finding although just to cover costs a facility very few are taking advantage of

A CL on a busy through route may think about it? but not as some would expect ,to be national ,and to be able to turn up at any CL /CS just for what you are suggesting

EasyT replied on 18/01/2021 17:46

Posted on 18/01/2021 17:46

You say Biggarmac that you stayed in forestry carparks, on coastal carparks. No disrespect but that sounds like wild camping to me and so why not use the term?.

Biggarmac replied on 18/01/2021 18:09

Posted on 18/01/2021 18:09

"Wildcamping" in Scotland is going into the wilderness with your tent on your back and leaving no trace. 

The forestry carparks were part of a scheme from Forestry and Land Scotland inviting motorcaravans to stay the night - therefor allowed by the owner of the land.  The coastal carparks had notices giving the terms under which we could stay and some were charging to do so, but did not have disposal points.

There are places where it acceptable to the landowners for Motorcaravans to stop over for a night or two, where there are no disposal facilities.  Last year showed that more provision needs to be made due to the lack of campsite space.  Highland council are encouraging local communities  to put in service points and/or proper Aire-type parking.  Other areas of the UK would do well to follow their lead.

The negative attitude on this forum to anything other than full facility sites is quite breathtaking.  Basic CLs seem to be disappearing, presumably due to lack of use by CMC members.  It used to be possible to go to lovely spots where there was toilet disposal and a tap.  Now CLs seem to be mini sites with EHU, toilets, showers and prices to match.  Not everyone wants the all singing all dancing sites which cost a fortune to set up and maintain, and therefore cost a fortune to stay.

EasyT replied on 18/01/2021 18:31

Posted on 18/01/2021 18:31

"Wildcamping" in Scotland is going into the wilderness with your tent on your back and leaving no trace. 

I know B but the term s also used for those staying where there are no disposal or water provision. I have used such myself a couple of years after my wife's death using a caravan when I wanted time to reflect. 

I do not have a negative attitude but I don't suspect that many CLs are likely to offer such as most owners are working during the day and may not want the faff. 

No harm in asking however.

Cornersteady replied on 18/01/2021 18:39

Posted on 18/01/2021 18:09 by Biggarmac

"Wildcamping" in Scotland is going into the wilderness with your tent on your back and leaving no trace. 

The forestry carparks were part of a scheme from Forestry and Land Scotland inviting motorcaravans to stay the night - therefor allowed by the owner of the land.  The coastal carparks had notices giving the terms under which we could stay and some were charging to do so, but did not have disposal points.

There are places where it acceptable to the landowners for Motorcaravans to stop over for a night or two, where there are no disposal facilities.  Last year showed that more provision needs to be made due to the lack of campsite space.  Highland council are encouraging local communities  to put in service points and/or proper Aire-type parking.  Other areas of the UK would do well to follow their lead.

The negative attitude on this forum to anything other than full facility sites is quite breathtaking.  Basic CLs seem to be disappearing, presumably due to lack of use by CMC members.  It used to be possible to go to lovely spots where there was toilet disposal and a tap.  Now CLs seem to be mini sites with EHU, toilets, showers and prices to match.  Not everyone wants the all singing all dancing sites which cost a fortune to set up and maintain, and therefore cost a fortune to stay.

Posted on 18/01/2021 18:39

The negative attitude on this forum to anything other than full facility sites is quite breathtaking.

I don't think that is true BM, there are threads like this, sections for CLs and many who post that they love CLs. but this forum is largely just that a forum, if you want change then write to head office or in this case as I suggested to the CL owner's group. 

Basic CLs seem to be disappearing, presumably due to lack of use by CMC members.

Is that true? 

Now CLs seem to be mini sites with EHU, toilets, showers and prices to match. Not everyone wants the all singing all dancing sites which cost a fortune to set up and maintain,

Is that true, all of them? there are many CL to suit everyone I am told. But I wonder if it is true why are owner of CLs making them like that? demand perhaps?

and therefore cost a fortune to stay.

Do they? looking at what people post they appear to have a wide variety of prices?

 

I'm neutral on CL's and I'm just posting what I have picked up from other posters.

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