Nunnykirk club site

That would be a bit too radical for the CMAC

Ah but on a basic site with no, or only part time wardens who would people complain to about people walking across pitches, loud children, dogs, bbq smoke etc. On the other hand It would be easy to enforce the arrival time as the machine would have no discretion to allow people on before the decreed time! 

Thanks Rowena, I hope a strategy can be found that suits all and maybe encourage a few more visitors to this area. I've never stayed on the site but it's somewhere we like to visit, hope others will consider discovering this interesting part of the UK in the future too. 

Well increasing it certainly won't produce the desired effect. I also think you need to change your thinking. A survey of members showed 22 percent of members join mainly to use CLs. I cannot imagine a 5th of the membership who appreciate CLs have reason to seek out full fat sites and avoid the Clubs' non facility sites.

peedee

you mean the ones who are still going to these non facilities sites? If they are declining in number will it matter? Or they can still go to CL's but then of course they would still have to be members? 

I realise you may like these type of sites (do you go to many, you were at a full fat sites recently?) but perhaps the vast majority do not? IMHO non facility site, at a club level, will soon be a thing of the past? Are there any non club(s) sites that do the non facility type of site? 

but they are avoiding them both, they are joining to use CL's and not to use non facility sites, as well as other types. Thank you for making my point.

These CL'ers (just made a word up) are just using CLs?

Anyway the simple fact is numbers for Nunnykirk are declining year on year, and so no reason to keep it open. 

But the club cannot keep running sites that run at a significant loss

just re-read Ro's post, no mention of 'significant loss'...

covering costs, financially challenging site to run, 20 year lease to consider extra investment......

but 'significant loss'.....no...just something 'someone' made up.

the losses may be there, but may be small...the post didn't give figures.

occupancy may not be rising (may even be flat for all we know) and, yes, the club has to cover its operating costs....but these can be reduced substantially in small, low turnover sites by using automation.

small, no facs sites that are struggling could well become the low cost (to run and to use) automated sites (aires?) of the future.

much better to cut costs by modernising and continue to provide a service if it can turn even a small profit.

Perhaps the people that use CLs are not aware of sites like Nunnykirk & assume it's the same as the majority of full fat, gravel strewn club sites. 🤔 I've only used Nunnykirk a few times myself but if there were more sites like it I'd use them rather than club sites like I recently used for one night enroute to a CL. 

 But ..... still much cheaper than the £30 I recently paid for one night on a club site.

There is not much evidence to support the idea of keeping it open I would suggest. Falling occupancy, hand to hand lease arrangements, no facilities and in the middle of nowhere! It would seem this sort of site has a pretty limited appeal to the majority of Club members? What we don't know is whether the owners have something else in mind for the land the site is on or whether they might like to operate it themselves perhaps by converting to static/lodge complex which seems popular these days? It could just be that the land owner does not want to tie themselves to a new long term arrangement. The Club know how much it costs to upgrade a site and what the likely pay back would be. Even some fairly modest improvements like a few hardstanding and maybe a small number of serviced pitches might make the site appealing to a greater number of members but without a longer lease even that is pointless. My concern is that sites like Nunnykirk are only the tip of the iceberg and there could be many more sites where the same lease conditions apply which prevents essential work being carried out because of the likelihood that the Club won't have the opportunity to recover the investment.

David