Environment v quality of life

LeTouriste replied on 24/08/2019 13:01

Posted on 24/08/2019 13:01

We are being advised to avoid eating red meat and dairy products, to eliminate cattle and reduce production of methane.  One MP suggests we should scrap all our cars.   The Amazon rain forest, which produces 20% of Earth's oxygen and soaks up CO2, is seriously under threat.  The oceans are being polluted at an alarming rate, and coral reefs are dying in vast numbers.  Household refuse is becoming difficult to manage, and recycling has a long way to go before it becomes really effective.  Oh dear, what a boring outlook for future generations.  It's great to be old!smile

DavidKlyne replied on 08/10/2019 11:40

Posted on 07/10/2019 22:41 by takethedogalong

Speaking on behalf of a large percentage of Northern folks, HS2 is not popular up here. It’s not a quicker link to the Golden paved streets of London we need but better, weather proof links across the Pennines. Try getting across the Snake, Cat and Fiddle or even the M62  in a foot of snow! But what do we Northern folks know.......🤔

 

Posted on 08/10/2019 11:40

Unfortunately the economic facts speak for themself. London and the South East account for about 40%  of the UK economy. Yorkshire,Humber and the North East account for less than 10% The whole point of having modern train infrastructure is to try and spread that economic benefit further north. That is not to say that making improvement to the northern rail network is not also essential to maximise the benefits of the HS2 project. Now we live in interesting times and it is possible that parts of HS2 will be cancelled. My guess would be that it will be the northern elements of the project that will fall and the London to Birmingham section will be built as some elements are well advanced. If my scenario is correct how does that benefit the north? It is often thought that London and the South East have the monopoly of infrastructure products but in the nineties the Tyne and Wear Metro was the largest transport infrastructure in the Country. 

brue replied on 08/10/2019 12:36

Posted on 08/10/2019 12:36

Tree felling on the HS2 route has now been delayed and the Woodland Trust are running a petition to save the trees, I think this involves over a 100 areas of ancient woodland etc. The delays hopefully mean the project is faltering? 

mickysf replied on 08/10/2019 13:44

Posted on 08/10/2019 08:17 by EasyT

Now who/what does that remind us of!

OK. I give in .... who?

Posted on 08/10/2019 13:44

Practically every so called politician in the current lime light I can think of, some more than others mind! Not mentioning any names but I could trump any put forward by others with my choice I reckon!wink

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 08/10/2019 18:26

Posted on 08/10/2019 13:44 by mickysf

Practically every so called politician in the current lime light I can think of, some more than others mind! Not mentioning any names but I could trump any put forward by others with my choice I reckon!wink

Posted on 08/10/2019 18:26

Surely the Politicians are only responsible for their own attitude to ‘saving the planet’ they can’t really make it illegal not to take every measure to help the planet heal🤷🏻‍♂️

mickysf replied on 08/10/2019 18:59

Posted on 08/10/2019 18:26 by Rocky 2 buckets

Surely the Politicians are only responsible for their own attitude to ‘saving the planet’ they can’t really make it illegal not to take every measure to help the planet heal🤷🏻‍♂️

Posted on 08/10/2019 18:59

Legalities are pretty much political constructs, R2Bs. Morals, honesty and scruples are far more important attributes in my eyes. My point is that quite a few big players in the 'earth end game' have few of these!surprised

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 08/10/2019 22:41

Posted on 08/10/2019 18:59 by mickysf

Legalities are pretty much political constructs, R2Bs. Morals, honesty and scruples are far more important attributes in my eyes. My point is that quite a few big players in the 'earth end game' have few of these!surprised

Posted on 08/10/2019 22:41

They don’t control all Humans, it’s down to individuals to act. To pop at the Govts & leaders is pointless as President Trump proved its meaningless by blanking Greta Thunberg. She needs to just do her thing not attack those who don’t care.

mickysf replied on 09/10/2019 03:36

Posted on 08/10/2019 22:41 by Rocky 2 buckets

They don’t control all Humans, it’s down to individuals to act. To pop at the Govts & leaders is pointless as President Trump proved its meaningless by blanking Greta Thunberg. She needs to just do her thing not attack those who don’t care.

Posted on 09/10/2019 03:36

Things can and do change, history proves the mighty and seemingly untouchables can fall, sometimes by the actions of mere 'ordinary' folk or the likes of Greta. If anything she needs to up her game and keep the heat on those that don't care. She will need to carry the weight of the masses with her mind, that's the challenge . She's got me!

Twos more the one replied on 15/10/2019 13:25

Posted on 07/10/2019 08:33 by Cornersteady

Good point, but what are you personally doing?

Posted on 15/10/2019 13:25

Corner steady
Personally there is only so much any individual can make do.
Though the personal argument is used by those that want to do nothing, but expect others to do something
The issue is that great, that any actions taken at a  minimum needs to be national government lead, so everyone has to do it, not just those that care