What Would a UK Club Type Aire Look Like

GEandGJE replied on 10/07/2024 11:33

Posted on 10/07/2024 11:33

With all the recent discussion on CT around the different needs of Motorhome touring opposed to touring with a Caravan and the shift in club member ownership towards motorhomes let’s try looking forward for once and discuss what a UK Club type aire would look like.

My thoughts are that the club would have 3 options in providing a club type Aire.

1.       Build a new dedicated site. Basic needs would be a booking system, which is already in place, payment made in full before arrival, small change to the booking system required, ANPR, trials already in place. The site wouldn’t need a facilities block, just a chemical waste point to be provided, EHU if required would be by metering, trials already in place and fresh water could also be available by metering. I would limit the size of the site to 10 units and have a maximum stay of 2 nights. The biggest issues the club would face in providing this would be finding the right location at the right price and obtaining planning permission.

2.       Convert an existing site. Convert all or part of an existing site owned by the club. Same requirements as in option 1. Planning permission could be an issue.

3.        CL Network. Partner with the existing CL network owners to provide an aire type site, again with the same requirements as option1.

I think that either options 2 or 3 should be trialed first before committing major expenditure to option 1.  Again just my thoughts, neither right or wrong.

What would your club type aire look like and how would you implement it.

Cornersteady replied on 08/08/2024 21:26

Posted on 08/08/2024 21:26

I'm not against anything new, but I do object to money being spent on something that might, may, won't know till we try be of use and to how many, which no one can seem to answer. I keep asking if these types of provision are provided elsewhere and if they are well used, again no answer. 

Takethedogalong replied on 08/08/2024 21:32

Posted on 08/08/2024 21:32

How would you determine which Member does and doesn’t use Club Sites though? I’m a Member, used four Club Sites in last six months, but circumstance mean we can’t tour at all at the moment. Am I in or out of the first round?

Or would you means test it? X has spent A pounds this. Year, they are in. Z only spent B pounds, so we don’t value their contribution as much. Consigned to the also rans basket

🤷‍♀️

Takethedogalong replied on 08/08/2024 21:40

Posted on 08/08/2024 21:26 by Cornersteady

I'm not against anything new, but I do object to money being spent on something that might, may, won't know till we try be of use and to how many, which no one can seem to answer. I keep asking if these types of provision are provided elsewhere and if they are well used, again no answer. 

Posted on 08/08/2024 21:40

Yes, lower priced overnight stops are very, very popular. Aires, Forestry sites, pub stopovers, all legal, all providing different levels of service, different prices. You have to either book, if you can, or turn up early to get a pitch/space

However, they can be limited to only campers and MH’s. Club has the capacity to be unique in offering an overnight stopover for caravans as well, with no extra costs. If it is interested.

Cornersteady replied on 08/08/2024 21:51

Posted on 08/08/2024 21:32 by Takethedogalong

How would you determine which Member does and doesn’t use Club Sites though? I’m a Member, used four Club Sites in last six months, but circumstance mean we can’t tour at all at the moment. Am I in or out of the first round?

Or would you means test it? X has spent A pounds this. Year, they are in. Z only spent B pounds, so we don’t value their contribution as much. Consigned to the also rans basket

🤷‍♀️

Posted on 08/08/2024 21:51

It's not up to me but I'm glad you think I have any input.

Selection for surveys is a fairly precise mathematical procedure so as not to give a skewed result. I'm sure the club will have done it in the past very successfully. Judging by all their previous new projects.

Takethedogalong replied on 08/08/2024 22:00

Posted on 08/08/2024 22:00

But it is your belief that those who stay more, pay more should be surveyed first, not the opinion of the Club C, that’s what I find strange.🤷‍♀️

Academic anyway really, the Club might survey for little things, but they just steam roller decisions for the big changes. Like it, or lump it.☹️

I just suggested something that was open to all Members, regardless of outfit, that wouldn’t cost much to set up, but might catch some of the folks who at the moment drive past Club Sites with empty pitches. With a few T&Cs, some consultation, as easy to administer and manage as possible. The Club gets extra income, Members wanting a short overnight no frills stopover get something in return. Better in the Club coffers for all Members🙂

Cornersteady replied on 08/08/2024 22:18

Posted on 08/08/2024 22:00 by Takethedogalong

But it is your belief that those who stay more, pay more should be surveyed first, not the opinion of the Club C, that’s what I find strange.🤷‍♀️

Academic anyway really, the Club might survey for little things, but they just steam roller decisions for the big changes. Like it, or lump it.☹️

Posted on 08/08/2024 22:18

As said my beliefs (?) don't come into it. Where did I say pay more P? I'm sure those on the cheaper sites will be included too, or I would hope. I still nold to the view that current site users would be done firstly. 

I would also hope, actually having studied survey selection more than hope, that provided you stay on a club site or not you'll be included.

Why should be current users done first? No good having this new provision if it drives away your core customers and that means someone staying one week at an expensive site or ten weeks on a cheaper site.

It's certainly my view you start with your best customers , whatever best means. I'm not changing my view on that.

If the survey or research says it's going to be a big money earner it will happen.

But the club will have the survey or research procedures already well known.

SteveL replied on 08/08/2024 22:27

Posted on 08/08/2024 17:16 by eurortraveller

DK, The club already has flexible arrival times at separate ferry pitches at its sites nearFolkestone  and Portsmouth. Prices are not reduced but Members can come and go at all hours, day or night. Wardens  hours are adjusted to manage. Relaxation is allowed on other parts of the site.

That sort of flexibility of arrival times could be be introduced at sections of other sites  but flexibilty comes very slowly to CAMC.

Posted on 08/08/2024 22:27

Wardens hours are adjusted to manage.

The one we used was outside of the barrier controlled part of the site and pitching details were left attached to a notice board. Payment had to be made ahead of time, therefore no need for any warden input. Also as TW states they are not discounted, even if you only spend 12 hours on site.

SteveL replied on 08/08/2024 22:48

Posted on 08/08/2024 22:36 by Takethedogalong

How far in advance did you book it Steve?

Posted on 08/08/2024 22:48

Thinking about it we have used them twice. Once recently, the first time several years ago. In each case it was several months before. As the ferry is fixed, it makes sense to fix the site as well.

Takethedogalong replied on 08/08/2024 22:50

Posted on 08/08/2024 22:18 by Cornersteady

As said my beliefs (?) don't come into it. Where did I say pay more P? I'm sure those on the cheaper sites will be included too, or I would hope. I still nold to the view that current site users would be done firstly. 

I would also hope, actually having studied survey selection more than hope, that provided you stay on a club site or not you'll be included.

Why should be current users done first? No good having this new provision if it drives away your core customers and that means someone staying one week at an expensive site or ten weeks on a cheaper site.

It's certainly my view you start with your best customers , whatever best means. I'm not changing my view on that.

If the survey or research says it's going to be a big money earner it will happen.

But the club will have the survey or research procedures already well known.

Posted on 08/08/2024 22:50

I give in, we are debating something that probably will never happen, certainly not in my time with Club, and probably boring many anyway picking over semantics. No medal for me, you win all. 🙂

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