What Would a UK Club Type Aire Look Like

GEandGJE replied on 10/07/2024 11:33

Posted on 10/07/2024 11:33

With all the recent discussion on CT around the different needs of Motorhome touring opposed to touring with a Caravan and the shift in club member ownership towards motorhomes let’s try looking forward for once and discuss what a UK Club type aire would look like.

My thoughts are that the club would have 3 options in providing a club type Aire.

1.       Build a new dedicated site. Basic needs would be a booking system, which is already in place, payment made in full before arrival, small change to the booking system required, ANPR, trials already in place. The site wouldn’t need a facilities block, just a chemical waste point to be provided, EHU if required would be by metering, trials already in place and fresh water could also be available by metering. I would limit the size of the site to 10 units and have a maximum stay of 2 nights. The biggest issues the club would face in providing this would be finding the right location at the right price and obtaining planning permission.

2.       Convert an existing site. Convert all or part of an existing site owned by the club. Same requirements as in option 1. Planning permission could be an issue.

3.        CL Network. Partner with the existing CL network owners to provide an aire type site, again with the same requirements as option1.

I think that either options 2 or 3 should be trialed first before committing major expenditure to option 1.  Again just my thoughts, neither right or wrong.

What would your club type aire look like and how would you implement it.

peedee replied on 09/08/2024 07:06

Posted on 08/08/2024 21:26 by Cornersteady

I'm not against anything new, but I do object to money being spent on something that might, may, won't know till we try be of use and to how many, which no one can seem to answer. I keep asking if these types of provision are provided elsewhere and if they are well used, again no answer. 

Posted on 09/08/2024 07:06

I wonder how serviced pitches were introduced? Money, a lot of money was spent in the hope they might, may, won't know till we try and how many. How did the Club know the answer? I never saw a specific survey on the subject. You can say the same about the Freedom Experience.

peedee

SteveL replied on 09/08/2024 07:18

Posted on 08/08/2024 14:22 by Takethedogalong

With a tiny bit of system alteration, a bit of awareness training for staff around new procedures, there aren’t any additional costs. The infrastructure is there, the staff requirements are there, I suspect the customers are there as well if it’s promoted robustly. How many folks choose a CL, CS, pub stop, etc…. as a travel stopover?

One night only

Applies to all outfits

Hook up or not based on price choice.

Cannot be taken up before 6pm or after 8pm (5pm would be better, but Club will know what times are less busy)

Applies only to a standard pitch, not SP, Premium.

You might have to take an allocated pitch.

Price? Around £15-20 depending on Site/with or without hook up.

Still might be more than some would pay, but I bet plenty would, including us. And let’s face it, if we will, being notoriously choosy on price, I bet others will🤣

Posted on 09/08/2024 07:18

Price? Around £15-20 depending on Site/with or without hook up.


Rather wishful thinking I feel, given the club is currently asking circa £27 for non EHU at Cirencester and circa £32  at Moreton in Marsh. Both prices for 2 adults in September and many of the dates are shown as full or low so they must be selling some.

peedee replied on 09/08/2024 08:06

Posted on 09/08/2024 08:06

I tend to agree Steve but there is no way I would pay £27 or £32 for non EHU.

If the Club cannot do a "Quickstop" cheaper than that, they should not even think about offering them. £20 to £25 inclusive of EHU would be more realistic given the price of stopping at places like Cadeside and Stover.

peedee

SteveL replied on 09/08/2024 09:12

Posted on 09/08/2024 09:12

I just can’t see it, even over there prices are going up. A lot of the camping car park Aires, without the facility block provided by the CAMC, are now 15€ a night and a few more popular ones 17 or 19€.

Also the inclusivity of what has been proposed bothers me. Whilst these discounted pitches would be open to caravans and motorhomes alike, how many folk towing a large caravan are going to risk waiting until 5 / 6 pm to secure a place for the night. Now with a 7 metre van I might give it a go, when we had a 12.50 metre rig to find somewhere to park up, not a chance.

Takethedogalong replied on 09/08/2024 09:21

Posted on 08/08/2024 22:48 by SteveL

Thinking about it we have used them twice. Once recently, the first time several years ago. In each case it was several months before. As the ferry is fixed, it makes sense to fix the site as well.

Posted on 09/08/2024 09:21

Thank you Steve. Such pitches the Club knows it can fill well in advance, so it would be counter productive to discount them.

peedee replied on 09/08/2024 10:16

Posted on 09/08/2024 10:16

Also the inclusivity of what has been proposed bothers me. Whilst these discounted pitches would be open to caravans and motorhomes alike, how many folk towing a large caravan are going to risk waiting until 5 / 6 pm to secure a place for the night. Now with a 7 metre van I might give it a go, when we had a 12.50 metre rig to find somewhere to park up, not a chance.

I agree but with a caravan I would suggest a last minute booking is a sensible approach e.g. perhaps on the morning you intend to travel. I would even try to do that with a motorhome.

peedee

Cornersteady replied on 09/08/2024 11:01

Posted on 09/08/2024 07:06 by peedee

I wonder how serviced pitches were introduced? Money, a lot of money was spent in the hope they might, may, won't know till we try and how many. How did the Club know the answer? I never saw a specific survey on the subject. You can say the same about the Freedom Experience.

peedee

Posted on 09/08/2024 11:01

A lot was money was spent? Do you actually know that for a fact or just just a subjective feeling?

I don't think it did cost a lot. From personal experience the SP at Troutbeck, where we saw them being put in, they were actually from the static caravans that were there when the club took over the site that were being taken out. The electrics, waste and fresh water needed for a SP were already there so not a lot of money I would say there in addition to making new HS pitches which was going to happen anyway.

People think that SP are a new invention but they were already there when I joined in 1999. At other places SP they were usually near to the toilet block for water I suppose, and of course EHU was already there, these were usually 10 or so pitches close to the facilities block so a lot of money?

But that's a good point how did the club know to introduce EHU, way before SP? And move over to virtually all EHU sites? 

I think the club knew the answer before they were put in, in probably not a sophiscated methods as today but they knew, postal surveys and maybe even looking at the competition.  

Just because you never saw a specific survey about SP doesn't mean it didn't happen of course, and of course surveys by email/online were certainly not a thing in 1999. However I do call posts on here about EF before they were introduced and a definite survey was talked about then.  

Anyway that's in the past, looking forward my point is (again) that if the club has done its homework and thinks it's a nice little earner and won't upset current users which could lead to a loss of income then it should go for it. But I do have to say that you're we won't know till it tried approach, and then a national level even, is reckless.

What's wrong with doing some research?

 

LLM replied on 09/08/2024 12:10

Posted on 09/08/2024 12:10

But I do have to say that you're we won't know till it tried approach, and then a national level even, is reckless.

Trials often involve actually doing things, it's all part of the research process.  Rather like the research trials of ANPR and metered electricity.  In this case is trialing at a national level really going to be massively expensive if it is treated to KISS?

DavidKlyne replied on 09/08/2024 12:32

Posted on 09/08/2024 07:06 by peedee

I wonder how serviced pitches were introduced? Money, a lot of money was spent in the hope they might, may, won't know till we try and how many. How did the Club know the answer? I never saw a specific survey on the subject. You can say the same about the Freedom Experience.

peedee

Posted on 09/08/2024 12:32

Peedee

Could you not ask the same question about the provision of electricity? I am sure we both remember when only limited pitches had access to electrics but that eventually became virtually all pitches over time. With serviced pitches I imagine it was a question of a trend developing either within the Club or perhaps across the wider camping trends on commercial sites? I think Chatsworth has had various forms of serviced pitches for some time. But also remember that serviced pitches are an enhancement of the overall offer which give added value to the Club. What is being suggested is the complete opposite, its taking away value from the Club. I agree with those that suggest the sort of price level expected by some is wildly out of step with what would be the reality. I made the suggestion that a reduction in the region of 10/20% was more realistic but that would take the price way beyond what some are willing to spend. My reasoning for suggesting 10/20% is that would be inline with current offers being made by the Club. 

David

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