What Would a UK Club Type Aire Look Like

Any potential changes have to be looked at from the overall Club perspective, not from the individual point of view. 

Is there underused space/capacity that could be better used?

Is there a market out there for this, as yet untapped?

What are the requirements to make something work, (infrastructure, training, marketing, etc)

What is the likely impact on existing customers v increased usage/increased income

What are the eco credentials, how inclusive can we make this. 

All depends on business turnover at the time, and how much any changes are needed going into the future.

Well I was taught, and applied it successfully many a time, that one does research first, for costs, interest, viability, effects... then plan the trail in detail with costs and success criteria...  and only then actually doing a trial - did I say otherwise?

You appear, and PD as well, appear to be suggesting doing a trial before all that and see what happens? Hopefully assuming it won't be massively expensive? What is the cut off for massive?

Just assuming it's not going to be massively expensive (I mean even the term massively is open to interpretation and you don't appear to know from your post there) is just not best practice, spending money without good research and a plan with costs is reckless and as you suggest without a pre set limit could mean that costs just spiral out of control. You're not a member and so it won't any of be your money that is being used.

The first question: is there a demand from current member/users of cub sites for this? 

But as I said the club has done this before it will know what to do. If the club yes, that's good enough for me.

+1, and yes about EHU? If CT could have been around would there have been threads about it?

It would appear from posts that the asking price should be about under £20? That's a big reduction for five hours in my view. Then PD even suggests that should be applied from 4pm, that's an even bigger reduction for only losing three hours and in my view just not viable, and could be easily abused.

It's gone now (or not been posted about) about early arrivals and the queues forming before 1pm. With a 6pm, or even worse 4pm, it's possible that will happen again. People waiting in their outfits for the 6pm or 4pm time limit before stepping into the office. What happens if 'full paying' outfits arrive behind them? If I had to give a time it would be 7pm or even 7.30pm.

Pure conjecture I know especially as I don't think there's a demand and prices won't be that low in the first place to entice all the posters in favour.

If people want this type of provision wouldn't a CL be better? Why does it have to be a club site? There must be something special about them?

As posted I can't see CL owners being too happy if it did happen.

Pure conjecture I know especially as I don't think there's a demand and prices won't be that low in the first place to entice all the posters in favour.

Ask the 40,000 members of CAMpRA that question and see what answer you get! Like I said upthread, if the Club cannot offer a price with EHU similar to that paid at sites like Cadeside and Stover which are popular night stops, especially the former, then they shouldn't even think about "Quickstops" Above that and it would not be at all competitive.

peedee

Here are some examples of alternative places to stay for a night……

https://www.searchforsites.co.uk/marker.php?id=45946

https://www.searchforsites.co.uk/marker.php?id=43714

https://www.searchforsites.co.uk/marker.php?id=49887

Is there underused space/capacity that could be better used?

All the Club has to do is look at pitch availability, even Melrose has availability over the Bank holiday

Is there a market out there for this, as yet untapped?

Yes at the right price, its not untapped though, the availability of overnight stopover places is growing. The real question is, does the Club want to be part of this market or not? If they don't what impact is that going to have on membership?

What are the requirements to make something work, (infrastructure, training, marketing, etc)

They are no more onerous than offering the current discounts, book within a defined period e.g. within 24 hours of the arrival time or even just turn up on spec, arrive after and leave before the appointed times. Its got to be better than leaving a pitch empty.

What is the likely impact on existing customers v increased usage/increased income

I cannot see any impact on existing customers that isn't present now.

peedee

Surely electricity to pitches has been around for a long time?  I fitted a hook up facility on our first caravan, which we got in 1973, not immediately, but certainly by 1977.  We used it for charging the battery, boiling the kettle, running the 3 way fridge, and using a small fan heater.

 No idea however  when hook up facility was routinely provided in new caravans, we sold that van in 1983 and only returned to caravanning in 1997, by which time vans were luxurious by comparison.

Anyway……I was trying to find out more on the cost of the QuickStops in Scandinavia, not a cheap area of Europe as most will know, but have had mixed success, finding some sites that charge 150-270 Swedish kroner depending on whether you take EHU and access to facilities, or not.  That is something like £11-£20, the higher one being around 50% of the normal nightly rate for a full facility site.    The lower price seems to be for a MH aire with only water and waste .    But  if it can be done over there for that sort of price, why not here?

It is very popular in Sweden as, like Norway, it is a very “long” country and taking your caravan or MH down to France or Spain in the summer is very popular.  People want to get there as soon as possible so cover long distances at the start and end of their trips, arriving on a site late, usually 8pm, and are off again by maybe as early as  8am.  Having seen outfits arrive and leave, couples are sharing the driving.

I'm lost at the logic of asking another organisation what should the demand is for club members wanting aires/Quickstop type provision on its sites?

Is there a lot of demand there? I've really no idea and you haven't answered that at all part from pointing to a relatively very small organisation that wants aires. As posted I've nothing against them but are current aires full? If there is so much demand why aren't other provides jumping in?

Why small? only 40,000 members out of how many MH owners in the UK, which I believe is about 760,000 as of 2022 and still growing, Now to me that doesn't sound very representative and showing a great demand?  The club has 380,000 family members half of which likely to be MH owners members, so if you're talking numbers who wins in representing MH owners? I've no idea but I'm just interesting in the club?

And why should I ask Campra what the club should set its prices?

After all your posts now you're saying the club shouldn't think about aires/Quickstops because of price? It's not up to you or me only what the club decides to do, why not wait for any real facts and figures? 

I think we might be on the same wave length PD.

I posted it as a suggestion as to how the Club might look at something to increase usage/income. Only they will have the figures around unused capacity, costs, etc….. Members can only speculate. We are told that the Pods went onto areas unused on Sites, so the type of research is ongoing.

The alternative options are certainly out there, the three I highlighted are from a long CamPRa approved list. 

Brilliant PD, so why not use those - are they full, why do you want a club site.

Actually from the pictures I can see why you do.