An open letter to the Community Manager - reviews

Tinwheeler replied on 11/08/2019 19:02

Posted on 11/08/2019 19:02

Dear Rowena,

I think the time has come to press you on the issue of comments made on reviews. I know you are very busy but the situation is becoming rather discordant and inconsistent.

You have posted some information concerning the content of reviews recently but I can see nothing from you regarding the posting of comments. David Klyne, in the thread titled Reviews, posted some words on the subject on 04.08.19 and my post (pictured below) seeking further information was also reported to you in an effort to establish clarification. Unfortunately, I’ve not seen a response from any source.

Yesterday (10.08.19), a new review appeared which was clearly in breach of the Community Guidelines and several of us commented explaining how the Guidelines answered the poster's question. Seemingly legitimate responses were subsequently Deleted User fairly quickly yet the review remained until early afternoon today when it was quite rightly removed. Can you imagine the confusion this caused?

I have no intention of querying moderation here but, obviously, different people have different views on what is acceptable and what is not and it is that very difference and lack of guidance relating to comments which is causing a less than standardised approach.

Therefore, may I please ask for a definitive clarification of what is, or is not, permitted in comments on reviews to be included in the Guidelines? We, as posters, need to know what is acceptable to yourself and the moderators so that we can all sing from the same song sheet.

Regards.

TW

 

RowenaBCAMC replied on 12/08/2019 14:44

Posted on 12/08/2019 14:21 by huskydog

I am to take from that, is the Club want all reviews to be all 'light and fluffy", and the issues swept under the carpet sealed

 

Posted on 12/08/2019 14:44

Please be assured this is most definitely not the case and we appreciate feedback from members which has often been used by the regional managers to make improvements. However we do ask people are not offensive to staff and there has in the past been offensive language and terms used which is not acceptable on our website. 

huskydog replied on 12/08/2019 14:54

Posted on 12/08/2019 14:44 by RowenaBCAMC

Please be assured this is most definitely not the case and we appreciate feedback from members which has often been used by the regional managers to make improvements. However we do ask people are not offensive to staff and there has in the past been offensive language and terms used which is not acceptable on our website. 

Posted on 12/08/2019 14:54

Good ,and i'm glad to hear it ,it's just a shame that sometimes things have to come to a head before the club gets involved 

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 12/08/2019 17:21

Posted on 12/08/2019 14:42 by RowenaBCAMC

These have been moderated by volunteers in their own time rather than Club staff. We want to use Club resource to be there to respond to comments rather than moderate discussions on reviews. 

Posted on 12/08/2019 17:21

Thank you for the reply👍🏻

derekcyril replied on 12/08/2019 17:58

Posted on 12/08/2019 17:58

Perhaps , before any of us become keyboard warriors , we should take a deep breath ,think about it logically . Have i had that extra glass of wine ? Do it next day ,when youve calmed down . Just a thought .Derek

Tinwheeler replied on 12/08/2019 18:02

Posted on 12/08/2019 18:02

Hi, Rowena.

Thank you for your response and for re-opening the thread.

I understand completely what is allowed in reviews as it’s made quite clear in the Guidelines, although what is evident is that many reviewers don’t seem to have read those Guidelines.

Comments, which is the topic which prompted my OP, are altogether different as you acknowledge and this is where confusion occurs. You say that ideally comments should be from someone with experience of the site but sometimes it’s not a site specific issue that gives rise to a comment. I see nothing wrong, for instance, with a member pointing a reviewer towards the Club's rules or information leaflets or advising how to make a complaint when that member obviously has more experience of the club than the reviewer. Surely that is aiding the reviewer? I’ve been astounded when helpful replies along those lines have been Deleted User.

We have had a spate of 'unfortunate' reviews over the weekend and I’m sure I’m not the only person to have recognised them as being in breach of the Guidelines and to have reported them. You see, we do self moderate to a certain extent here!

I think from your post at the foot of page 1 you mean that club staff should be able to deal with constructive comments made on reviews while the volunteer moderators clean up the streets, so to speak (no offence!). That makes sense but I think an element of common sense needs to apply both on the part of posters and that of staff/moderators. For instance, I saw some really inappropriate comments made by members earlier today but, equally, I’ve witnessed the deletion of factual and helpful information by moderators.

Things aren’t always black and white so can we say, at least for now, that comments in an ideal world would be from someone who knows the site but that there are a lot of cases where restricting comments in this way would be counterproductive? I think that will allow sensible comments on the review to stand if you and the moderators accept that helpful and informative comments are not the sole preserve of those who have stayed on a particular site.

Thanks again for your input.

 

replied on 12/08/2019 18:08

Posted on 12/08/2019 14:34 by Cornersteady

I don't think that is true, if the site has a problem then state it, for example continuous road noise, unclean facilities, grass not cut or cut too often, bins not emptied...  Remember how people complained about early bin emptying and it got changed?

However stating that the wardens are unfriendly, aggressive, rude... is not allowed and rightly so as these are all subjective (and may arise from people not getting their own way or being asked to follow rules) and also could be unfounded and affects wardens. The club has a duty of care to its staff.

Also the best way to deal with complaints is to write in, then it will be investigated fully. And if founded in truth the wardens can be held accountable. Far better than on a review. Surely a formal letter can hardly be sweeping things under the carpet, quite the opposite I would say?

Either way these are the rules we have to abide by.

Posted on 12/08/2019 18:08

The user and all related content has been Deleted User

replied on 12/08/2019 18:16

Posted on 12/08/2019 18:16

As said, 

Good site good warden, is permitted, therefore it follows, good site bad warden is too. Language appropriate.

I can see it though from all sides, so my solution would be simple.

People like and want in today's age to vent their anger immediately, but with as said limited resources to police, image to uphold, and then just tardiness of the site these are issues.

Perhaps a solution is limiting replies to 3 or a number as to be low enough to satisfy the above. ( I can see the obvious, but that would have to be )

Then if a reviewer or indeed another member wishes to carry on with the debate, then the general forum can be used, where resources appear to me to be adequate.

 

As a note, to have a system that frustrates a person into not complaining doesnt help any party.

There are email addresses on the web site for complainants to use, but who in anger is going to look for them?

Oneputt replied on 12/08/2019 18:39

Posted on 12/08/2019 18:39

Just for info and apologies for brining up over there, but if you submit a review via ACSI they scrutinise it prior to posting and on occasions they censor them, I know cos a couple of mine have been altered. This seems to be common practice 

Pliers replied on 12/08/2019 19:01

Posted on 12/08/2019 18:39 by Oneputt

Just for info and apologies for brining up over there, but if you submit a review via ACSI they scrutinise it prior to posting and on occasions they censor them, I know cos a couple of mine have been altered. This seems to be common practice 

Posted on 12/08/2019 19:01

Same with Tripadviser, Oneputt, and they email when your review has been published. Not sure if it's then open for replies or not.

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