The Amended Red Guide re User owns cylinders!!

Merve replied on 14/11/2018 16:43

Posted on 14/11/2018 16:43

I now post the relevant section of the NEW AMENDED RED GUIDE regarding the use of user owned cylinders. This should be sufficient to convince the most hardened cynic of it’s existence! The technical dept at East Grinstead should now be in possession of the facts. As caravanners, we should welcome this new Guide with open arms. Hopefully, this will start a new era for cheaper gas- much cheaper gas!  Safefill complies with both these requirements. ✔️ I cannot speak for any other brand. Thanks.

 

Portable LPG cylinders
22) Gas supplier owned cylinders: Cylinders supplied on an exchange empty for full basis are owned by the gas supplier and are designed to be filled by weight. It is a requirement that only the owner or their authorised filler may refill the cylinders.
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GUIDANCE ON MANAGING THE RISKS OF FIRE AND EXPLOSION
Customer refillable cylinders
23) Cylinders that are designed to be refilled by the public should be of a type that is recognisable by the forecourt operator and incorporate the following safety features:
− Be fitted with an overfill prevention device, that prevents the cylinder being filled
above 80 % of its capacity.✔️
− Have a fill valve compatible with the nozzle of an autogas dispenser.✔️
It is recommended that where the refilling of cylinders is being allowed a sign headed 'Cylinder filling operation' covering the responsibilities of the filler be displayed on or adjacent to the autogas dispenser(s). The sign should include the following:
− This site allows the filling of cylinders specifically designed to be filled from an
autogas dispenser.
− Do not fill any cylinder that has suffered any damage or that is out of test date.
− In the event of a leak or overfilling – stop filling immediately and notify the site
operator.
Should a forecourt operator choose not to allow these cylinders to be filled on their premises, it is recommended that:
− clear signage is displayed on or near the autogas dispenser(s) stating that
cylinders may not be filled,
− their personnel are trained to refuse the refilling of cylinders.
To enable cylinders that are designed to be filled by volume to be filled from autogas dispensers, the forecourt operator should comply with the requirements of DSEAR in that they have:
− Carried out a risk assessment then implemented suitable and sufficient control
measures.
− Trained their staff to ensure that the cylinder is placed level and upright before
authorising the dispenser.
− Trained their staff to recognise the incidents that may occur during the refilling of
cylinders and the action to take as the result of an incident involving a cylinder.
A supplier or manufacturer of cylinders that are designed to be refilled from autogas dispensers may provide means by which a forecourt operator may recognise their cylinders.
Additional information is available from the UKLPG.
LPG containers attached to vehicles
(24) LPG containers that are securely attached to a vehicle for heating or cooking purposes may be filled from the autogas dispenser on the provision that they:
− remain in situ for filling;
− are fitted with an internal device to physically prevent filling beyond 80% of the
full capacity; and
− have a fixed filling connection external to the vehicle.
Adaptors for autogas filling
25) Dispensers on UK forecourts are fitted with nozzles to connect onto vehicle 'bayonet' filling connections, however vehicles, especially from continental Europe, may have other designs of filling connections so drivers then carry adaptors so that they can fill at any forecourt autogas dispenser.
26) Site operators should have a policy in place for the use of adaptors, this could be that the use of adaptors is not permitted. Alternatively, should they have satisfied themselves that they have identified and implemented the control measures that address the additional risks associated with the use of adaptors, they may consider their use. Their policy should be included in the training of forecourt staff.

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 14/11/2018 16:46

Posted on 14/11/2018 16:46

Still making folks lives better & easier Merve👍🏻, power to you👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻😎

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Merve replied on 14/11/2018 18:14

Posted on 14/11/2018 16:46 by Rocky 2 buckets

Still making folks lives better & easier Merve👍🏻, power to you👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻😎

Posted on 14/11/2018 18:14

Trying Rocky! Thanks mate. I wasn’t believed before by some but I knew  I was talking the truth and I knew what I was talking about! 

ChrisRogers replied on 14/11/2018 19:02

Posted on 14/11/2018 18:04 by

Yes, the guide was updated effective October 2018. 

How does the Safefill have a fill valve compatible with the nozzle of an autogas dispenser?  Does it not need an adaptor?  If so how is that impacted by clause 25 and 26? 

Posted on 14/11/2018 19:02

Safefill cylinders have a 'bayonet' filling connection valve, no adaptor needed.

replied on 14/11/2018 19:33

Posted on 14/11/2018 19:02 by ChrisRogers

Safefill cylinders have a 'bayonet' filling connection valve, no adaptor needed.

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Merve replied on 14/11/2018 19:35

Posted on 14/11/2018 19:35

Can’t wait to see how UKLPG are going to squirm and twist to try and stop Safefills being filled! To try and convince campers that you can’t fill cylinders! The games up- the war is lost- get on with it UKLPG and issue the new Sheet 26 which aligns with the Red Guide. Let’s have some clarity from you!!

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