Smart Alternator Technology etc.

Jeepman replied on 14/02/2017 17:27

Posted on 14/02/2017 17:27

I tow my Unicorn 3 Vigo with a 63 plate Ford Kuga. I have found that on all journeys the van fridge defrosts by the time I arrive at my destination. The cause is the smart alternator technology on the car, which turns the output off when the car's battery is fully charged. This also turns off the direct circuit to the van fridge.

I only noticed this as the fridge is a large one and more susceptible to losing cooling than the smaller ones in my previous Unicorn and Pegasus vans.

No solution from Ford, or my dealer who has carried out circuit testing on the car at Ford's behest.

Although I don't have it, a stop/start system does the same thing as on starting again the circuit to the fridge remains switched off. 

Anybody else experienced this or has a solution?

The National Caravan Council issued a paper on this in December 2016.

Fozzie replied on 15/02/2017 21:07

Posted on 15/02/2017 21:07

I must admit this is something I have never noticed when towing with my 14 reg Kuga.It has has two different vans on the back, and I have never known either of the  fridges to "defrost" when towing.Even when using the vans in France.

I do check the blue 12v led is glowing on the fridge before leaving site or home and it is still on when arriving at my destination.

Note the blue fridge light only works with engine running.It flashes when engine turned off.

Re Tony Burton (above post)how do you know the alternator is delivering a charge when you brake?

 

TonyBurton replied on 15/02/2017 21:23

Posted on 15/02/2017 21:23

Hi Fozzie,

How do I know it only charges the car battery when I brake? The sales blurb told me so! I'm a believing soul!! I think it monitors the battery voltage and only charges continuously if the battery is low. It's very clever!! (I think) The temperature in France was approaching 30 degrees and we were driving for about 8 hours. My wife mopped up the water in the bottom of the fridge as I had driven such a long way.

Fozzie replied on 15/02/2017 22:00

Posted on 15/02/2017 22:00

Tony Thanks for the reply only I was wondering if you had extra instrumentation on your Kuga to inform you when it was charging.

All I can think of is my towbar fitter possibly used a switched live from the rear of the car rather than an alternator 12v supply.

I to had high temps in France this year and travelling from the Loire back up to Jumeiges, had no mopping up of water from the fridge.

xtrailman replied on 22/02/2017 08:21

Posted on 22/02/2017 08:21

I had this issue in 2013 and this is what i found.

1/ the battery will charge when braking, or on the overrun, using regenerative braking.

2/ It is possible to see the volts low enough for a Voltage sensitive relay to not pullin, so no fridge feed or battery charging to the caravan.

And even if it does pull in the drop out voltage on my VSR was 12.8 volts, so it can drop out.

3/ Fit a plug in voltage meter, a couple of pounds from amazon, then you can see what voltage the battery is giving.

4/ A way round it is to fit an ignition operated relay instead of a VSR, or put your lights on.

5/ The battery will have some current monitoring fitted, mine is adjacent the negative lead, this current can trigger the the alternator to charge, in practise it tells the ECU to increase the alternators field current, which sends out more volts.

MDD10 replied on 22/02/2017 08:51

Posted on 14/02/2017 17:27 by Jeepman

I tow my Unicorn 3 Vigo with a 63 plate Ford Kuga. I have found that on all journeys the van fridge defrosts by the time I arrive at my destination. The cause is the smart alternator technology on the car, which turns the output off when the car's battery is fully charged. This also turns off the direct circuit to the van fridge.

I only noticed this as the fridge is a large one and more susceptible to losing cooling than the smaller ones in my previous Unicorn and Pegasus vans.

No solution from Ford, or my dealer who has carried out circuit testing on the car at Ford's behest.

Although I don't have it, a stop/start system does the same thing as on starting again the circuit to the fridge remains switched off. 

Anybody else experienced this or has a solution?

The National Caravan Council issued a paper on this in December 2016.

Posted on 22/02/2017 08:51

I suspect ford have updated it recently. I recently took possession of a new Smax and noticed that the fridge stays on even when the engine is off.  Queried this with the towbar fitting company who think it switches off after a period of time but yet to test it and will also be with a new van anyway

NutsyH replied on 22/02/2017 10:10

Posted on 22/02/2017 10:10

I had the same problem with a BMW X5, and now have it with a Porsche Cayenne. Fridge receives power whilst engine running, but defrosts on journeys more than 2 hours.

JVB66 replied on 22/02/2017 18:20

Posted on 22/02/2017 18:20

I have visited the Birmingham show today and have asked the Tech bods on the Hyundi and Jeep stands also the NCC tech bod and the caravan club( As will always be)techies and all admit it is a problem that at the moment is still being "worked on?"but none would say yes to the directly wiring to the fridge,even Dometic are trying to find a way to solve it ,they all say that it is definatly the not so "smart" alternators,which are all pert of the drive for lower emmisions and higher mpg,

When i suggested driving with dipped headlights, they thought that is possibly the only way round it for now,

 

Vulcan replied on 22/02/2017 18:38

Posted on 22/02/2017 18:20 by JVB66

I have visited the Birmingham show today and have asked the Tech bods on the Hyundi and Jeep stands also the NCC tech bod and the caravan club( As will always be)techies and all admit it is a problem that at the moment is still being "worked on?"but none would say yes to the directly wiring to the fridge,even Dometic are trying to find a way to solve it ,they all say that it is definatly the not so "smart" alternators,which are all pert of the drive for lower emmisions and higher mpg,

When i suggested driving with dipped headlights, they thought that is possibly the only way round it for now,

 

Posted on 22/02/2017 18:38

Or buy a Land Rover.

rogerwyn replied on 22/02/2017 19:19

Posted on 22/02/2017 18:38 by Vulcan

Or buy a Land Rover.

Posted on 22/02/2017 19:19

That's one way to solve the problem then the recovery truck can supply voltage to you fridge as your been recovered again👿😈👹

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