Has the club made the right move?

tr54tds replied on 19/08/2023 18:02

Posted on 19/08/2023 18:02

I'm just wondering if anyone else feels the same as me. I understand that before deposits were introduced some people block booked popular sites and didn't arrive for those they didn't want which kept others from using them. I for one got annoyed at this. But my recent experience has left me with a bad taste in my mouth. On Thursday 18th August I made a booking for Clumber Park for 5 night from Sunday 20th August, thinking I could correct it if through my busy life I needed to amend it. I was surprised to learn I now needed to leave a deposit but oh well i did it anyway. When my wife came home from work she made me realise I needed to reduce the nights in favour of staying somewhere else prior so making our journey broken up. When trying to amend, it seemed I was being charged £16. We decided to call the club to see what we could do, only to be told we had to stand to the charge or lose the £20 deposit. They did waiver the charge after long discussions but after rethinking we have decided to not turn up and lose the deposit as it now doesn't fit with our travel plans. I am now thinking of cancelling my membership as I can't get along with this system as last minute bookings suit us and sometimes we need to change because of our busy lifestyles. I didn't sign up to the travel industry but a club which now seems to be into just making money. I also don't agree with being charged for visitors that also seems wrong to me. This along with the increase in prices leaves me thinking that I'm getting a hotel rather than a piece of turf (forgive the exaggeration). I think the club need to rethink what they are doing, there are other ways of stopping block booking like limiting how many bookings can be made or asking for deposits if making many bookings but for general bookings this new system is completely out of order and insensitive to customers who need to change plans, amend bookings and cancel sometimes. Does anyone else feel the same as we do?

GEandGJE replied on 29/08/2023 11:04

Posted on 28/08/2023 21:52 by KjellNN

I think that cannot be a safe conclusion as, like us, many members have said they will remain members to be able to use CLs, plus maybe insurance,  but will not use Club sites.

So the Club will get our membership fee, but they will not get any money from site fees as we find them to be well beyond what we can afford, and what we consider to be  VFM.

I do wonder how many members consider the site to be the destination, and therefor want "luxury" ,  compared to those of us who use the site as a base to travel out to the surrounding area, so do not need more than decent, clean facilities.   Or even no facilities at all.

Today's caravans and MHs are so well equipped that we don't need luxurious site facilities.   Even our 15 year old van has everything we need to be "self contained" when it comes to bathroom and kitchen facilities, as did our previous 1998 van.

 

Posted on 29/08/2023 11:04

I have to comment on your last two paragraphs. What does it matter how people spend their time once on site. If people want to use the site as a base and go off to visit the surrounding area during the day they can do as it is their choice. If people want to stay on site and relax outside or in their vans they can do it is their choice. There is no right or wrong way to spend your time at a club site. If people want to use the facilities in their van they can do it as it is their choice, if people want to use the sites facilities they can do as it is their choice. There is no right or wrong way to use the facilities provided by the club. It's great that you have found a way to tour that suits your needs and budget  but I think you have to accept that your way may not be the way that other people want to tour. 

Cornersteady replied on 29/08/2023 11:11

Posted on 29/08/2023 11:04 by GEandGJE

I have to comment on your last two paragraphs. What does it matter how people spend their time once on site. If people want to use the site as a base and go off to visit the surrounding area during the day they can do as it is their choice. If people want to stay on site and relax outside or in their vans they can do it is their choice. There is no right or wrong way to spend your time at a club site. If people want to use the facilities in their van they can do it as it is their choice, if people want to use the sites facilities they can do as it is their choice. There is no right or wrong way to use the facilities provided by the club. It's great that you have found a way to tour that suits your needs and budget  but I think you have to accept that your way may not be the way that other people want to tour. 

Posted on 29/08/2023 11:11

+1

The club offers this, other providers offer something different, in my view mainly to a lower standard, and of course to a higher standard as well. Choose as you like. 

The club even for me is by no means luxury but certainly the standard I want. And nothing to do with remaining on site or not and nothing to do with the on board facilities.    

richardandros replied on 29/08/2023 13:57

Posted on 29/08/2023 13:57

"Unfortunately the Club seems to have a bit of a history of misreading how members receive new things. The name change was a prime example. The logic was clear to see but the (un) acceptance, in some quarters, was off the scale." - DK

"The alternative would be, at best, that the thoughts and wishes of the membership had been misread or were not properly considered which is I guess at the heart of the OP." - mickysf

Might I suggest that this Club has been no different from a lot of organisations in attempting to bring about change. Changing the processes and technologies are generally easier to do - especially centrally - although I suspect some would question this Club's success with certain "technologies"!!

What a lot of big organisations forget is the third - and most important aspect - people - and here the Club has demonstrated that it is, sadly, no better then many other big organisations - which is a bit sad considering it reckons it's a member's organisation. There is no doubt in my mind that the new booking system has caused a lot of grief for members - and has probably played a part in reduced occupancy. This could have been avoided if more time had been spent communicating with (and listening to) the membership rather than simply concentrating on the mechanics of the process.

Tinwheeler replied on 29/08/2023 14:10

Posted on 29/08/2023 14:10

I’m not sure they concentrated on the mechanics of the process, R&R. 😕

Hja replied on 29/08/2023 14:53

Posted on 29/08/2023 11:04 by GEandGJE

I have to comment on your last two paragraphs. What does it matter how people spend their time once on site. If people want to use the site as a base and go off to visit the surrounding area during the day they can do as it is their choice. If people want to stay on site and relax outside or in their vans they can do it is their choice. There is no right or wrong way to spend your time at a club site. If people want to use the facilities in their van they can do it as it is their choice, if people want to use the sites facilities they can do as it is their choice. There is no right or wrong way to use the facilities provided by the club. It's great that you have found a way to tour that suits your needs and budget  but I think you have to accept that your way may not be the way that other people want to tour. 

Posted on 29/08/2023 14:53

It doesn’t matter how people spend their time. But the point I think was being made is that it may affect how people see the sites. If it is a destination in its own right you perhaps want more from it than if it is merely a means to an end.

GEandGJE replied on 29/08/2023 15:32

Posted on 29/08/2023 14:53 by Hja

It doesn’t matter how people spend their time. But the point I think was being made is that it may affect how people see the sites. If it is a destination in its own right you perhaps want more from it than if it is merely a means to an end.

Posted on 29/08/2023 15:32

So is it being suggested  that the club offers sites aimed at Caravaners and sites aimed at Motorhomers?. I would not support that at all. I think the club does a good at providing sites that are inclusive for all and long let it stay that way.

vbfg replied on 29/08/2023 15:35

Posted on 29/08/2023 13:57 by richardandros

"Unfortunately the Club seems to have a bit of a history of misreading how members receive new things. The name change was a prime example. The logic was clear to see but the (un) acceptance, in some quarters, was off the scale." - DK

"The alternative would be, at best, that the thoughts and wishes of the membership had been misread or were not properly considered which is I guess at the heart of the OP." - mickysf

Might I suggest that this Club has been no different from a lot of organisations in attempting to bring about change. Changing the processes and technologies are generally easier to do - especially centrally - although I suspect some would question this Club's success with certain "technologies"!!

What a lot of big organisations forget is the third - and most important aspect - people - and here the Club has demonstrated that it is, sadly, no better then many other big organisations - which is a bit sad considering it reckons it's a member's organisation. There is no doubt in my mind that the new booking system has caused a lot of grief for members - and has probably played a part in reduced occupancy. This could have been avoided if more time had been spent communicating with (and listening to) the membership rather than simply concentrating on the mechanics of the process.

Posted on 29/08/2023 15:35

I agree with David about the change of name as some Members were vitriolic about it and blamed motorhomers for it, who, as far as I know, knew nothing about it unitl it actually happened and (in my case) didn't want the name change either.

As well as having my M/H for 10 years, I have also, for 20 years, had a share in a narrowboat and I cannot help but think that in many ways the Club seems to be on a par with the former British Waterways, now the Canal and Rivers Trust! 

Instead of asking the people who work for BW and later the CRT and/or the boaters, (the people who actually use the canals and rivers and pay a very hefty licence for the privilage), for their advice and input, they just make decisions which sometimes appear to have been thought up by Basil Fawlty!

I wonder how many Wardens, Assistant Wardens and/or Members the Club were actually asked for their views about speculative booking and what way would be best to try and help curtail it, if they ever were?

young thomas replied on 29/08/2023 15:57

Posted on 29/08/2023 15:32 by GEandGJE

So is it being suggested  that the club offers sites aimed at Caravaners and sites aimed at Motorhomers?. I would not support that at all. I think the club does a good at providing sites that are inclusive for all and long let it stay that way.

Posted on 29/08/2023 15:57

Not sure how you gleaned that from Hja's post??🤷🏻‍♂️

irrespective of whether you have a MH or caravan or you go off site or not, the physical set of provided facilities will influence whether the site itself is a 'destination site' which might add to its attraction beyond other attributes like location.

destination sites are popular abroad as they really do have so much more to offer customers while on site...given the choice of two similarly located sites where one has a pool, a bar, a restaurant and the weather to enjoy them, these facilities will influence customers.

the above would be available to all irrespective of 'how' one tours.

the issue (here and abroad) is more likely to be how do customers 'value' sites that have none of these against those that do?

as Kjell says, sites vary in 'destination appeal'....we stay at THS sites purely for location (they have no facilities) but we stay at other sites as they offer far more than some other providers...for the same (or less) money....hence the VFM decision.

LLM replied on 29/08/2023 16:09

Posted on 29/08/2023 16:09

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Tinwheeler replied on 29/08/2023 16:22

Posted on 29/08/2023 16:22

With a couple of exceptions I find it hard to believe that people use CAMC sites as their destination for a holiday. Surely it’s the location of the site and surrounding area that attracts people rather than the site itself? They are, after all, touring sites provided by a touring organisation so I can’t see how the term "destination" can apply to sites.

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