Inconsiderate Dog owners

LPC replied on 08/05/2017 15:50

Posted on 08/05/2017 15:50

I am trying to have a peaceful afternoon on a spectacular site in Scotland. However there is a regular interruption of the peace by dogs barking with the owners doing little to stop them. Surely if you have one,two,three or four dogs you should control them.Perhaps it is time for our Club to start charging  a nominal fee, say £5 a night for each dog. Even possible membership suspension if the membe cannot control their dogs.

moulesy replied on 05/07/2017 09:32

Posted on 05/07/2017 09:32

It's unfortunate that this "confusion" between dogs and children has cropped up yet again.

Let's stick to the point. As even the most ardent dogs dislikers agree, it's a tiny minority of owners (not dogs themselves!) who are irresponsible enough to let their dogs bark continuously - it's this tiny minority who should be tackled. On a similar thread to this the OP said that they had a word with neighbours whose dog was annoying them by barking repeatedly - they (the neighbours) accepted it, moved the dog inside the van and the problem was solved. Far more productive than coming on a forum after the event moaning about things!

Charging for dogs will do nothing to stop them barking and little to reduce numbers; in fact it's likely to force folk to look elsewhere and' given the number of dog owners in the club, that loss in revenue will force prices up for everyone else.

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KjellNN replied on 05/07/2017 11:49

Posted on 05/07/2017 07:13 by Oneputt

The club isn't going to penalise dog owners any time soon as I believe about 70% of members are dog owner.  The vast majority of dog owners are responsible people who acknowledge that their neighbours don't want to constantly hear their dogs or loud music.  Unfortunately like most walks of life there are some that don't care so if your stuck by them, the answer is go and have a word with the warden about them. 

 

There are a few CL's around that are dog free

Posted on 05/07/2017 11:49

I think the figure of 70% is too high, was it not said last year that about 40% of members bring one or more dogs with them?

We have only had about 20 nights on Club sites this year so far, but our impression has been that we have seen slightly fewer dogs than usual, or perhaps they were just quieter and better behaved!

Tinwheeler replied on 05/07/2017 12:47

Posted on 05/07/2017 09:32 by moulesy

It's unfortunate that this "confusion" between dogs and children has cropped up yet again.

Let's stick to the point. As even the most ardent dogs dislikers agree, it's a tiny minority of owners (not dogs themselves!) who are irresponsible enough to let their dogs bark continuously - it's this tiny minority who should be tackled. On a similar thread to this the OP said that they had a word with neighbours whose dog was annoying them by barking repeatedly - they (the neighbours) accepted it, moved the dog inside the van and the problem was solved. Far more productive than coming on a forum after the event moaning about things!

Charging for dogs will do nothing to stop them barking and little to reduce numbers; in fact it's likely to force folk to look elsewhere and' given the number of dog owners in the club, that loss in revenue will force prices up for everyone else.

Posted on 05/07/2017 12:47

I've long been of the opinion, M, that charging for dogs is likely to encourage irresponsible behaviour rather than curb it. Can't you just hear it "I'm paying for my dog so why shouldn't he bark / why should I pick up after him / why shouldn't he go in the facility block?". Delete as appropriate. 

Oneputt replied on 05/07/2017 15:57

Posted on 05/07/2017 11:49 by KjellNN

I think the figure of 70% is too high, was it not said last year that about 40% of members bring one or more dogs with them?

We have only had about 20 nights on Club sites this year so far, but our impression has been that we have seen slightly fewer dogs than usual, or perhaps they were just quieter and better behaved!

Posted on 05/07/2017 15:57

I may well be wrong but thought I read somewhere the actual percentage of dog ownership in the club was 69%

moulesy replied on 05/07/2017 17:49

Posted on 05/07/2017 11:09 by

 

Charging for dogs will do nothing to stop them barking and little to reduce numbers; in fact it's likely to force folk to look elsewhere and' given the number of dog owners in the club, that loss in revenue will force prices up for everyone else.

Moulsey

This is plainly contradictory you say charging wouldn't  reduce dog numbers and then that folk will go elsewhere causing loss of revenue both cant be true.

However I agree with others here that it just wont happen as dog owners are so very well represented in the membership and are not likely to be willing to start paying for something that has been free 

Posted on 05/07/2017 17:49

Thank you for reading my post so carefully and pointing that out, David! wink

Let me rephrase the second part of that sentence to remove the contradiction -

" in fact, IF it's used to force folk to look elsewhere and, given the number of dog owners in the club, that results in loss in revenue, it will force prices up for everyone else."

I agree with you; it just isn't going to happen! smile

replied on 05/07/2017 18:48

Posted on 05/07/2017 17:49 by moulesy

Thank you for reading my post so carefully and pointing that out, David! wink

Let me rephrase the second part of that sentence to remove the contradiction -

" in fact, IF it's used to force folk to look elsewhere and, given the number of dog owners in the club, that results in loss in revenue, it will force prices up for everyone else."

I agree with you; it just isn't going to happen! smile

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ClubMember434DDA9FD2 replied on 09/07/2017 11:03

Posted on 08/05/2017 15:50 by LPC

I am trying to have a peaceful afternoon on a spectacular site in Scotland. However there is a regular interruption of the peace by dogs barking with the owners doing little to stop them. Surely if you have one,two,three or four dogs you should control them.Perhaps it is time for our Club to start charging  a nominal fee, say £5 a night for each dog. Even possible membership suspension if the membe cannot control their dogs.

Posted on 09/07/2017 11:03

The bottom line is that the Club has rules regarding dogs on sites - see page 669 of the Sites Directory and Handbook.  Are these rules enforced on sites?  Not in my experience and I travel extensively from Club site to Club site (with both Clubs) - 85 nights in my caravan so far this year, and counting (it is a hobby in my retirement).  Dog numbers on sites seems to be on the increase; probably because caravanning is one of the few options for holidaying with dogs. I have spoken to the inconsiderate owners of dogs in the past and have received verbal abuse as a result - criticising a dog seems to be worse than criticising a child!  I have also spoken to site wardens but nothing seems to be done.  My main gripe is the way that the majority, yes majority, of dog owners seem to be oblivious of the disgusting habit of allowing their dog(s) to poo and pee anywhere on sites (poo is cleared up but pee can't be) instead of using the dog walks (see club rules).  And yes, it is possible to train a dog to poo and pee where you want it to - it is normally the laziness of the owner that is at fault, not the dog.  Charging for dogs is not the answer as mentioned by others - that would only make matters worse. Enforcing Club rules would be a start.  Not everyone likes dogs - some people, especially children, are easily frightened by dogs.  Their requirements should also be considered.  The Club should consider making some sites dog-free. Alternatively, on some of the larger sites, it would be possible to allocate a section of the site as dog-free.

Discuss ...........

moulesy replied on 09/07/2017 11:15

Posted on 09/07/2017 11:15

Well, I'd certainly challenge the statement that it's the majority of dog owners who allow this to happen Bongo, unless your hobby extends to counting that as well! wink

As for dog free sites, it's just not going to happen is it ( unless you also have child-free, TV-free, BBQ-free etc etc sites as well!) Dog free areas I can just about imagine, certainly better than dog-only areas.   smile 

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