A question for the club; axles and brakes

viatorem replied on 05/06/2019 20:45

Posted on 05/06/2019 20:45


I understand that the subject of Alko Axle Problems was raised at the recent National Rally Technical Q&A session on bank holiday Monday. Is it correct that there are insufficient complaints raised for the club to react in support of its members?

As individual sufferers of collapsed axles it is difficult to coordinate action, the club however is in a unique position where by it could survey the problem amongst it's members, far as I am aware there has been no mention of the axle issue in the club magazine or any reaction to the many threads on CT on the subject. 

I have done my own survey, CT has 33 members that have reported axle issues in various threads over the last 4 years. The FB group "Bailey axle problems family" has around 150 reported axle problems 44 of which have been reported to CAMC technical. I would also comment that it is not just Bailey with a problem.

Can I ask what is the threshold of reports at which the club would take up members concerns?

As a sufferer of the axle problem and having had a goodwill replacement I have raised this issue with CAMC (acknowledged but no reply to subsequent email) and DVSA, (much to and fro emails but not a safety issue!) I find this very surprising, if my car tyres rubber the wheel arches it would fail an MOT. What is needed is a recall on axles and also  the current issue of brake problems which is across all makes on vans mid 2017 onwards!!! Again no mention of this from the club. Does the club not think these safety issues are worthy of informing members?

Analysing the reported fails on the FB group something drastic happened to Alko/Bailey axles in 2015 see image below. 

Moderator Edit:

If you require an answer to your question, you'd be advised to contact the club directly as it's unlikely you'll receive an answer on this forum.

 

chasstreet replied on 09/06/2019 19:11

Posted on 09/06/2019 19:11

I joined the club as soon as we returned to caravanning. From previous experience I had found that the club had looked after its members.

since returning I am at a total loss to understand how they can claim to look after members interests.

in 3 years they have not printed anything about constant issues with brakes, axles and leaks.

Prices on club sites regularly are more expensive than commercial sites. 

Moderator 

please remind the board what their job is, 

its to represent us the members 

!!!well that’s me banned then !!!

viatorem replied on 13/06/2019 08:14

Posted on 13/06/2019 08:14

Well you were all right sadly no answer  or even acknowledgment from the club of my email or on here.

Despite the claim in the CT headersurprised

 It will also enable us to respond to your questions, comments and to resolve those occasional grievances

replied on 13/06/2019 13:13

Posted on 13/06/2019 13:13

Why does the club need any members to raise concerns over a known issue with caravans and motorhomes?

 

 

viatorem replied on 13/06/2019 16:01

Posted on 13/06/2019 16:01

 No one has learnt about these issues from the club though have they?

WillDeBeast replied on 31/08/2019 08:39

Posted on 31/08/2019 08:39

I'm another person with a failed axle.  2015 Cadiz.

And my friend has had his fail.  2015 Vigo.

Bailey have refused to help either of us.  We're both meticulous about loading.  I suspect that for both of us, had we been more cavalier with weights, the axle would have failed within the three years, instead of later.

There is very clearly an issue with 2015 axles, but Bailey refuse to help.

Lutz replied on 31/08/2019 21:51

Posted on 31/08/2019 21:51

Even if it's the AlKo axle that fails it's still a Bailey problem. Fact is that they didn't have a robust design that prevents tyre to wheelarch contact even when an axle fails. Besides, by all accounts the clearance between the two was much too small even in the condition as designed. It was never capable of accomodating snow chains which are required in some countries, even on caravans, but then maybe they never expected anyone to go touring with their caravans on the Continent in winter.

Fozzie replied on 01/09/2019 00:21

Posted on 06/06/2019 18:53 by viatorem

There's a couple of reasons Bailey show early onset axle failure, firstly they are designed with  a low wheel arch clearance primarily because of the flat top to the wheel arch, secondly they use full profile tyres not 70 series. Also lack of headroom on axle spec  combined with manufacturers trying to minimise mtplm leading to unintentional overloading by some. I also suspect Alko had a duff batch of rubber 2015/16. Other brands are now suffering  but can go undetected as there's ample clearance thus taking longer to show a problem.Ultimately the rubber suspension will shear and the wheel will disappear up into the wheel arch as there is no bump stop to prevent this. 

Definitely and sadly my last UK built LV as the replacement axle is heading the same way! My other van a 10 year old Adria has a faultless chassis ,so it's not me overloading nor any issues with my previous 6 uk built vans.

Posted on 01/09/2019 00:21

One of my theory's why axle failure has come to light in the years around 2015/2016 is the advent of the fixed bed models.My 2016 axle failed and repaired, but when you look at the distance between the axle and the rear of the van,I do not believe these axles can take all the boomphing and bounce our roads are giving it.

Gone are the days now when you could load the van,and caravanners now realise that the low loading margins, are giving the manufacturers an easy get out clause when things go wrong.

When things do go wrong ,there is no one out there that assist us caravanners  Not the NCC,VOSA,the two Clubs do anything 

What we will never know is,are Alko building axles  to the manufacturers spec,or are the manufacturers requesting Alko build a lighter cheaper axle.

With the future of suitable tow cars uncertain, and the issues of axle failures so prominent it is almost like the manufacturers are assisting the government in reducing Caravans on the road.

 

viatorem replied on 01/09/2019 13:40

Posted on 01/09/2019 13:40

I understand there's a survey of axle issues being circulated by one of the club's.

Lutz replied on 01/09/2019 16:50

Posted on 06/06/2019 18:53 by viatorem

There's a couple of reasons Bailey show early onset axle failure, firstly they are designed with  a low wheel arch clearance primarily because of the flat top to the wheel arch, secondly they use full profile tyres not 70 series. Also lack of headroom on axle spec  combined with manufacturers trying to minimise mtplm leading to unintentional overloading by some. I also suspect Alko had a duff batch of rubber 2015/16. Other brands are now suffering  but can go undetected as there's ample clearance thus taking longer to show a problem.Ultimately the rubber suspension will shear and the wheel will disappear up into the wheel arch as there is no bump stop to prevent this. 

Definitely and sadly my last UK built LV as the replacement axle is heading the same way! My other van a 10 year old Adria has a faultless chassis ,so it's not me overloading nor any issues with my previous 6 uk built vans.

Posted on 01/09/2019 16:50

The flat top wheel arch was a serious design error for a start if that is the reason why there is inadequate clearance between the tyre and the wheel arch. The responsible product engineer should have been aware of the possible full axle travel. Secondly, the tyre aspect ratio, whether 70 series or full profile, should not have any bearing on the rolling radius of the tyre. The wheel size must be chosen to compensate for a lower tyre aspect ratio.

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