Double axle caravans

Sandgroper replied on 09/08/2017 00:04

Posted on 09/08/2017 00:04

Thinking of changing to a double axle van - are there any tricks to adjusting the noseweight or does the double axle resolve that problem?

I guess that the double axle will reduce the simple balance situation that exists with a single axle, but is it usually necessary to adjust the tow ball height to match the van rather than to adjust the balance of the van? I ask because a towing hitch that is too high will be trying to tip the van onto the back wheels.

Lutz replied on 09/08/2017 03:38

Posted on 09/08/2017 03:38

Regulations state how high the towball shall be and there is normally (offroad vehicles excepted) no way of adjusting that height.

It is important that the noseweight is set an adequate level, regardless of whether the trailer is a single or a twin axle. Just below the lower of the two plated figures for the towbar and trailer is normally the target that one should aim for.

Consequently, when towing, the rear wheels of a twin axle will always be carrying a slightly higher load than the front pair.

heddlo replied on 09/08/2017 08:32

Posted on 09/08/2017 08:32

The best way to attain the correct nose weight is just a balancing act of where to position things inside the caravan, safely, for towing.  We always like our noseweight to measure around 100kgs (the maximum limit for both our car's tow ball and the caravan hitch), and it's never been a problem to reach that.  It may be different for you depending on your towing vehicle and caravan layout. 

Rushallmanor replied on 09/08/2017 09:23

Posted on 09/08/2017 09:23

Balancing a twin axle is just the same as a single axle, yes it is just as easy to get a nose weight that is too much, but mine does not seem as sensitive to noseweeight variance and tows well with a nose weight anywhere between 80kg & 100kg. Although it can be a challange to get it that low.

stephen p replied on 09/08/2017 21:27

Posted on 09/08/2017 03:38 by Lutz

Regulations state how high the towball shall be and there is normally (offroad vehicles excepted) no way of adjusting that height.

It is important that the noseweight is set an adequate level, regardless of whether the trailer is a single or a twin axle. Just below the lower of the two plated figures for the towbar and trailer is normally the target that one should aim for.

Consequently, when towing, the rear wheels of a twin axle will always be carrying a slightly higher load than the front pair.

Posted on 09/08/2017 21:27

Surely towing slightly nose down is the norm so the rear axle will carry slightly less load than the front

Lutz replied on 09/08/2017 21:44

Posted on 09/08/2017 21:27 by stephen p

Surely towing slightly nose down is the norm so the rear axle will carry slightly less load than the front

Posted on 09/08/2017 21:44

That would only be the case if the hitch would have to be pulled down to align with a lower towball, but that would mean a negative noseweight.

stephen p replied on 10/08/2017 21:44

Posted on 09/08/2017 21:44 by Lutz

That would only be the case if the hitch would have to be pulled down to align with a lower towball, but that would mean a negative noseweight.

Posted on 10/08/2017 21:44

I don't see that!

When the caravan is level and set up for 0 nose weight each axle would be carrying the same load and the centre of gravity would be between the two wheels (caravan balanced on it's axles! = no jockey wheel needed).

As the caravan is loaded to generate a nose weight the centre of gravity moves forward. If the hitch is then allowed to move down  on to a tow ball the caravan adopts a slight nose down attitude and to achieve this  the front axle suspension compresses (takes more load) and the rear axle suspension is extended (taking less load).

Lutz replied on 11/08/2017 01:46

Posted on 11/08/2017 01:46

But a twin axle caravan will not necessarily be standing level if no noseweight is applied. It may already have a nose down attitude when its centre of gravity is exactly half way between the two axles..

stephen p replied on 16/08/2017 00:07

Posted on 11/08/2017 01:46 by Lutz

But a twin axle caravan will not necessarily be standing level if no noseweight is applied. It may already have a nose down attitude when its centre of gravity is exactly half way between the two axles..

Posted on 16/08/2017 00:07

I don't understand the concept of "applying" a nose weight, the nose weight is the amount of weight the nose exerts when the caravan is loaded.

In an ideal world we would tow level with equal load on each axle.

I think it will be standing level. the suspension units (4) are the same and bolted to a solid chassis rail, the wheels (4) are the same, tyre pressures are the same. If the centre of gravity is exactly half way between the wheels how would it not be level. 

As the caravan is loaded with weight towards the front, the centre of gravity moves forward. If the centre of gravity moves forward the caravan must adopt a nose down attitude, it can only adopt a nose down attitude by compressing the front suspension more than the rear, hence my original assertion that the front axle is taking more load than the rear if the caravan is nose down. 

In the above scenario there will however be zero nose weight (nose hanging in free space) until the caravan reaches tipping point, this happens when the centre of gravity moves forward of the front wheels, at this point the nose will crash to the ground unless something stops it. Ideally that something is a nose weight scales so that you can carry on loading the caravan until the nose weighs 100kg (or as required).

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