*New* towing calculations

SMiLEYSMiLE replied on 15/10/2022 14:10

Posted on 15/10/2022 14:10

Hi, I'm new to this site.

I currently have a Renault Kadjar 1.6 Diesel. 130bhp.

It has a tow bar.

It's a 2016 model, well looked after.

We are currently in a climate of uncertainty ref cost of living etc

Also, the uncertainty of what car to own especially for towing.

Nobody knows the future. Combustion engines will no longer be manufactured in UK from 2030. 

So what will ownership of petrol/Diesel be like nearer that date and post that date? Higher fuel prices and taxes to get us to go electric?

My wish is to eventually buy a new or very newish 4 berth caravan to tour Europe. 

I'm indecisive of what tow car I should have because of uncertainty of what I've stated above.

I love the Peugeot 2008 GT petrol 2022 model. 133bhp.

I also love the VW T6 Kombi 150bhp which is ideally what I want. This would cost me around late 20 to 30k for late 2016 model. But this is Diesel. What will long term reassurances be?

The caravan I like is Elddis 554 with island bed. New? £23k? 

My overall question is, if the Peugeot can't tow above caravan then it's not worth buying it. Will my Renault tow the above caravan?

What site can give me the easiest of calculations? Much appreciated. 

Tinwheeler replied on 14/11/2022 13:29

Posted on 14/11/2022 13:29

You can work it out yourself.

Firstly, the all up weight of the caravan (MTPLM) must be within the manufacturers stipulated max towing weight of the car and the MTPLM of the van plus the plated gross weight of the car must not exceed the Gross Train Weight (GTW) shown on the car's weight plate. Adhere to those two points and you will remain legal.

Secondly, many people, including this club, recommend that the MTPLM of the caravan does not exceed 85% of the car's kerb weight to provide safe and stable towing.

Thirdly, you need to establish the max down weight on the rear of the car and ensure it is adequate for the nose weight of the caravan.

There is a lot of info in the Advice & Training tab at the head of the page.

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watto64 replied on 15/11/2022 21:09

Posted on 15/11/2022 21:09

In addition to Tinwheelers comments I would also check a website called towcar.info as a rough guide to towing capacity/capabilities. 

I have taken the liberty of entering the 2008 auto 130 and an elddis avanti 554 and its not a safe match as the avanti 554 (lightest version) is heavier than the 2008.

The kadjar is a better match - its worthbhaving a look at the website..its free and lots of variables to play with.

The cost of running diesels post 2030 will/may be astronomical but still probably far less outlay than buying an EV capable of towing.  Are EVs getting cheaper - no!

allanandjean replied on 15/11/2022 22:43

Posted on 15/11/2022 22:43

Hi George (Smiley), Unless that, potentially, £53k is burning a hole in your pocket and you are happy with the Kadjar, perhaps a van that suits you current car?

Due to the “uncertainty” that you mentioned we have just bought a second car to take the mileage hit and extend the useable life off our current tow car.

dave the rave replied on 17/11/2022 17:48

Posted on 17/11/2022 16:07 by Vulcan

My advice would be to take note of what the government are advising and do the opposite!

Posted on 17/11/2022 17:48

my own advice would be to stop taking notice of journalists!All this electric vehicle rubbish is pie in the sky!Electric vehicles will never replace a vehicle that is running on an internal combustion engine whatever fuel is used!Maybe one day people will wake up to the fact that electric cars are heavier and therefor use more tyre rubber,batteries have a finite life and will need "recycling" or buried to contaminate the ground.

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Posted on 17/11/2022 17:48 by dave the rave

my own advice would be to stop taking notice of journalists!All this electric vehicle rubbish is pie in the sky!Electric vehicles will never replace a vehicle that is running on an internal combustion engine whatever fuel is used!Maybe one day people will wake up to the fact that electric cars are heavier and therefor use more tyre rubber,batteries have a finite life and will need "recycling" or buried to contaminate the ground.

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watto64 replied on 19/11/2022 22:25

Posted on 17/11/2022 17:48 by dave the rave

my own advice would be to stop taking notice of journalists!All this electric vehicle rubbish is pie in the sky!Electric vehicles will never replace a vehicle that is running on an internal combustion engine whatever fuel is used!Maybe one day people will wake up to the fact that electric cars are heavier and therefor use more tyre rubber,batteries have a finite life and will need "recycling" or buried to contaminate the ground.

Posted on 19/11/2022 22:25

and dont forget all the extra power stations, wind farms and fields full of solar panels that will be needed when weve all gone BEV. 

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