Fiat Ducato Autotrail

Youngbunch replied on 09/07/2019 17:34

Posted on 09/07/2019 17:34

Hello, we have a 2013 automatic Autotrail and have now experienced the following twice.

Pull into a service station, stop for a break, 30 mins approx. then go to start. The ignition lights up, glow-plug warning illuminates and disappears quick (good, I think) but the starter does not turn (just a feint whirr in the background). Can retry several times with the same outcome. leave it 10 mins and it starts no problem. Oil Temp midway, levels all ok.

Starts all other times no problem. Have had the vehicle for 3 years+ now and never had this before.

This has happened within 2 weeks while touring France (I mention it because it has been very hot and may be a factor).

Anyone else experienced this or have any idea what may be going on ?

 

 

Youngbunch replied on 04/10/2019 10:58

Posted on 04/10/2019 10:58

An update !

Failed to start at home prior to parking it up after weekend away.

Called breakdown for a home start. Checked key-fob followed by battery check & then by-passed ignition & immobiliser to start it. They identified start relay as likely problem. switch-off and restarted several times without problem.

All earths good.

Garage replicated the fault by removing starter relay. Now replaced and has so far started. Fingers crossed.

 

 

SeasideBill replied on 04/10/2019 13:07

Posted on 04/10/2019 13:07

Those multi connectors often used on battery terminals in van conversions can be troublesome. Some of them seem like they’re made out of cheese and do fail, usually on an intermittent basis.

I’ve also had a faulty immobiliser on a Ducato which was intermittent - expensive job to fix. 

EmilysDad replied on 04/10/2019 14:09

Posted on 04/10/2019 10:58 by Youngbunch

An update !

Failed to start at home prior to parking it up after weekend away.

Called breakdown for a home start. Checked key-fob followed by battery check & then by-passed ignition & immobiliser to start it. They identified start relay as likely problem. switch-off and restarted several times without problem.

All earths good.

Garage replicated the fault by removing starter relay. Now replaced and has so far started. Fingers crossed.

 

 

Posted on 04/10/2019 14:09

I'd be very surprised if an immobiliser could be easy  by-passed at the road side 🤔

SeasideBill replied on 04/10/2019 14:32

Posted on 04/10/2019 14:09 by EmilysDad

I'd be very surprised if an immobiliser could be easy  by-passed at the road side 🤔

Posted on 04/10/2019 14:32

Yes, agreed. Also, immobiliser fault will stop engine start, but not always prevent the starter cranking. In all cases no start will be achieved by removing the starter relay. When my immobiliser failed, the only option was to trailer it away and then, following repair, onward to a Fiat dealer for a new code to be programmed.

EmilysDad replied on 04/10/2019 14:54

Posted on 04/10/2019 14:29 by Youngbunch

It was bypassed

Posted on 04/10/2019 14:54

If it was, then any Johnny Towrag could do the same. Immobilisers, these days, are generally integral within a black box of electrickery, that as Seaside Bill says, has to be programmed in by a dealer or independent with a vehicle specific diagnostic kit.  

Youngbunch replied on 04/10/2019 15:11

Posted on 04/10/2019 15:11

how it was done I do not know or want to understand as I agree an immobiliser is there to protect. However, the report was clear in that the technician states he bypassed the immobiliser.

My main reason for providing feedback on this thread was to highlight that the starting problem seems to do with a £22 starting relay and my intermittent problem has been resolved.

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