Diesel & petrol alternatives? Your thoughts please

KellyHenderson replied on 14/09/2017 14:26

Posted on 14/09/2017 14:26

Good Afternoon,

Hopefully you have now received your September Club Magazine and read the Ask Your Club article (see attached photo) regarding the future of caravanning post 2040.

Have you already changed your vehicle from diesel to petrol?

Is anyone already towing with a hybrid? Maybe a Tesla Model X?

Has the news affected your plans for your next towcar?

It will also be interesting to see how motorhomes evolve into hybrids and/or electric models, which alternative to diesel would you prefer to buy; Hybrid or electric?

 Are you concerned about so few alternatives to diesel at the moment? Would you choose petrol instead if they were more widely available? There is now a VW T6 camper with a petrol engine available. 

Has this news made you think about switching to a car and caravan? Equally would caravanners consider trading in their car and caravan to purchase a hybrid or electric motorhome?

From the questions above, we would love to have your feedback.

One thing is for sure, there will be some interesting times ahead.

JVB66 replied on 18/10/2018 13:15

Posted on 18/10/2018 13:15

I have been reading about the "silence" of EVs and from next year they must make a "sound" when travelling to warn pedestrians especially those with poor eyesight,well the new Jag has a sound to warn people if you look on the websitesurprised

watto64 replied on 22/10/2018 21:53

Posted on 22/10/2018 21:53

Admittedly I have not read all the posts on this thread however I have been to Beijing on business trips where hybrids and all electrics are common place in use from scooters, delivery carts upto top end motor cars to create the clean city image.  Now this sounds ideal however they all need a source of electricity which means mass expansion of power stations and in this case fossil fuel which contributes to chronic and often deadly air pollution levels. 

LeTouriste replied on 10/01/2019 16:22

Posted on 10/01/2019 16:22

I have been towing for many years.  My last three cars were diesel, and last July I changed to yet another diesel - this one has a Euro 6 engine.   It has a catalytic converter, a DPF and an Ad Blue tank.

The catalytic converter turns 3 harmful gases into harmless ones:  carbon monoxide into carbon dioxide, nitrogen oxides into nitrogen and oxygen, and hydrocarbons into carbon dioxide and water.

The DPF collects particle solids and burns them off into less harmful ash.

The Ad Blue is metered into the exhaust system to break down the mono-nitrogen oxides into harmless nitrogen and oxygen.

Diesel engines also produce less CO2 than petrol engines, so are less threatening to global warming.

Environmentalists seem not to appreciate these improvements, neither does the government take any trouble to set the record straight.   What happened to the early concerns about the removal of lead from petrol and it being replaced by benzene?   Benzene is a known substance for having cancer causing properties.  That fact seems to have faded into history, but how relevant is it?

So is the "dirty diesel" accusation simply a myth that is pushing owners away from the benefits of a frugal diesel engine and into the realms of more gas-guzzling petrol alternatives?

 

biggsy replied on 11/01/2019 07:36

Posted on 11/01/2019 07:36

Look at the news today and all the problems are of people meddling in things ,and blame every thing on diesel ,s. Look at this cost to jaguar Landrover,and to the ordinary person trying to run a car I think in a few years caravan ing and motor home use will get out of the reach of the ordinary people who love this hobby or way of life.

Boff replied on 11/01/2019 08:53

Posted on 10/01/2019 16:22 by LeTouriste

I have been towing for many years.  My last three cars were diesel, and last July I changed to yet another diesel - this one has a Euro 6 engine.   It has a catalytic converter, a DPF and an Ad Blue tank.

The catalytic converter turns 3 harmful gases into harmless ones:  carbon monoxide into carbon dioxide, nitrogen oxides into nitrogen and oxygen, and hydrocarbons into carbon dioxide and water.

The DPF collects particle solids and burns them off into less harmful ash.

The Ad Blue is metered into the exhaust system to break down the mono-nitrogen oxides into harmless nitrogen and oxygen.

Diesel engines also produce less CO2 than petrol engines, so are less threatening to global warming.

Environmentalists seem not to appreciate these improvements, neither does the government take any trouble to set the record straight.   What happened to the early concerns about the removal of lead from petrol and it being replaced by benzene?   Benzene is a known substance for having cancer causing properties.  That fact seems to have faded into history, but how relevant is it?

So is the "dirty diesel" accusation simply a myth that is pushing owners away from the benefits of a frugal diesel engine and into the realms of more gas-guzzling petrol alternatives?

 

Posted on 11/01/2019 08:53

But the problem is the makers cheated.  They underdosed the Adblue so it has a limited effect.  I have seen reports that there are trucks that produce less NOx than cars.  So great in theory in the real world maybe not  

https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/explainer-how-cars-can-cheat-with-their-diesel-adblue-additives

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/fleet-industry-news/2017/01/09/nox-emissions-from-euro-6-diesel-cars-more-than-double-modern-diesel-trucks-according-to-new-study

LeTouriste replied on 12/01/2019 10:27

Posted on 12/01/2019 10:27

The 'cheating' by the makers to get better emission figures is old news and things have moved on.  AD Blue, correctly metered, does work.  In the past, there were dirty engines, diesel and petrol, emitting vast amounts of poisonous gases and we were all familiar with the blue smoke from exhausts.

The pressure on manufacturers was a good thing and the result of technology to directly improve the situation has brought great improvements.  The real problem is that the environmental 'purists' want action beyond the bounds of practicality and economic common sense, and some areas of government are frightened of ballot box repercussions so that the issue is becoming political rather than a balanced approach and reliance on ongoing technical advances.

For guidance, just look at the French Crit'Air ratings.  After hydrogen and electric powered vehicles at the top end, there are five categories (1 t0 5) for vehicles with 1 being the best.   Euro5 and Euro6 petrol engines are in cat.1, and Euro5 and Euro6 Diesel engines are in cat.2.  If you consider the vast number of older vehicles which will eventually be scrapped and replaced by new and/or used vehicles with Euro5 and Euro6 engines, plus the almost certain further improvements in the Internal Combustion Engine, things aren't looking so bad for either petrol or diesel.   Additionally, sensible approach to this will provide time for the necessary infrastructure to be put in place to accommodate an en masse of electric vehicles on our roads, and also a less damaging effect on the economy by plants and people becoming rapidly redundant in the petroleum industries.  A sudden clamour now for electric vehicles, and if that demand was successfully met by manufacturers, would very likely bring chaos by electric vehicles running out of power with insufficient charging points or locations to install them.

For the leisure industry - those who tow caravans, boats and horse boxes - has anyone yet considered the possible effects by the eventual demise of diesel and petrol engined powered vehicles? 

Milothedog replied on 12/01/2019 14:14

Posted on 12/01/2019 14:14

Your first paragraph has some mis information.  Blue(ish) smoke from a vehicles exhaust system is a result of the engine burning oil which is contaminating the combustion process. 3 main causes being worn piston rings or bores, valve guides or valve stem seals or a worn turbo. Blue = worn engine or other fault. 

Incorrect combustion /poor combustion will create Black or Grey smoke  depending on what the root cause is.  White-ish is basically just steam from any moisture present.  

Oneputt replied on 12/01/2019 15:45

Posted on 12/01/2019 15:45

Since the rush to divest diesel and purchase smaller petrol driven cars CO2 levels have risen by 3%

Boff replied on 12/01/2019 15:45

Posted on 12/01/2019 15:45

The 'cheating' by the makers to get better emission figures is old news and things have moved on. AD Blue, correctly metered, does work. 

 

So you are saying that all the vechicles on road now, that previously had declared emissions that bore no relationship to the actual real world  emission levels are all now fixed?   AdBlue all that is now dosed in sufficient volumes to produce the claimed values?  Just because it’s old news doesn’t make it untrue.  

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