Range Rover v Discovery-thoughts/clarifying

IanTG replied on 14/07/2020 15:49

Posted on 14/07/2020 15:49

Hi,

Toying with the idea of swapping my Santa Fe for a nearly new RR or Discovery. I’m well aware that many folk (on this forum and elsewhere) will say ‘once a RR/Disco, always a RR/Disco’, but I’d still be interested in hearing what you have to say. I’ll be towing a new Adria Adora Isonzo  MTPLM 1800kg, and one of the factors in buying this van is to potentially consider making use of the longer A-frame to carry cycles on it. Clearly, therefore, noseweight and tow car ball capacity is a factor.

So opinions on RR v Discovery please, as a whole, but specifically on towing.

Also, below is an extract from the LR website for the 3.0 Discovery diesel auto, yet elsewhere on the website it quotes 150. 

Maximum coupling point/nose weight (kg) 350

As that seems an unbelievably high rating, what do owners and other knowledgable folk understand from this?

thanks

Metheven replied on 14/07/2020 16:36

Posted on 14/07/2020 16:36

LR says ***Towing nose weight varies by powertrain and wheels fitted. I believe the 350kg is only for the multi height towbar as normally fitted to the commercial Discovery.

The Discovery will easily handle the standard noseweight, but if you use the A-frame for your cycles then it will be the ALKO or Winterhoff towhitch that will be your limitation.

My Winterhoff has a 150kg limit, as does my cars noseweight limit, most if not all ALKO hitches are 100kg limit, maybe newer ones are higher I don't know.

eurortraveller replied on 14/07/2020 17:12

Posted on 14/07/2020 17:12

Ian, I have never gone up scale from my Freelander2 - and it's maximum nose weight is definitely 150 kg.  If I wanted advice on the maximum nose weight of the two bigger models you mention I would go straight down the road to the local JLR main dealer here and talk to the service manager - who really does know the answer to that sort of question.  Can you do that in your area? 

EasyT replied on 14/07/2020 17:51

Posted on 14/07/2020 17:51

Maximum coupling point/nose weight (kg) 350

As that seems an unbelievably high rating, what do owners and other knowledgable folk understand from this?

I would think it far higher than what the caravan noseweight is specified for if the bikes are on the A frame but have not checked..

ocsid replied on 14/07/2020 18:05

Posted on 14/07/2020 18:05

With the Discovery 3 & 4 the noseweigth maximum figure was market dependant, here and throughout Europe they are specified at 150 kgs.

For Australia and North America much higher values are allowed, but the kit fitted is not the same as in a UK spec vehicle.

My German Hymer is fitted with a 150 Kg Al-Ko hitch, not the normal 100 kgs, BUT the chassis is only rated at 100 kgs "S" value [noseweight] despite it being a 1900 kg van. Check carefully that your Adria really has the chassis for 150 kgs, even if a 150 hitch is fitted, as few have and the heavier duty hitch is used because of the van's weight, not because you can load the noseweight up to 150 Kgs.

Vulcan replied on 14/07/2020 18:06

Posted on 14/07/2020 15:49 by IanTG

Hi,

Toying with the idea of swapping my Santa Fe for a nearly new RR or Discovery. I’m well aware that many folk (on this forum and elsewhere) will say ‘once a RR/Disco, always a RR/Disco’, but I’d still be interested in hearing what you have to say. I’ll be towing a new Adria Adora Isonzo  MTPLM 1800kg, and one of the factors in buying this van is to potentially consider making use of the longer A-frame to carry cycles on it. Clearly, therefore, noseweight and tow car ball capacity is a factor.

So opinions on RR v Discovery please, as a whole, but specifically on towing.

Also, below is an extract from the LR website for the 3.0 Discovery diesel auto, yet elsewhere on the website it quotes 150. 

Maximum coupling point/nose weight (kg) 350

As that seems an unbelievably high rating, what do owners and other knowledgable folk understand from this?

thanks

Posted on 14/07/2020 18:06

Respective weights are Discovery and RR Sport, but as other people have said you will be limited by Hitch/Tow bar limit.

eurortraveller replied on 14/07/2020 19:27

Posted on 14/07/2020 19:27

But I use an old bike rack from Towsure which is mounted on a plate behind the bolt on tow ball - so with that bike rack  the weight of my bikes is on the tow ball but not on the caravan hitch. 

ocsid replied on 14/07/2020 20:04

Posted on 14/07/2020 19:27 by eurortraveller

But I use an old bike rack from Towsure which is mounted on a plate behind the bolt on tow ball - so with that bike rack  the weight of my bikes is on the tow ball but not on the caravan hitch. 

Posted on 14/07/2020 20:04

The OP's statement was about carrying the bikes very specifically on the "A" frame.

"buying this van is to potentially consider making use of the longer A-frame to carry cycles on it."

To keep within the chassis rating, which most probably is going to be 100kgs, becomes quite a challenge as the bikes and rack are positioned so close to the towball most of their weight acts directly on it.

The longer "A" frame does better facilitate "eurotraveller's" solution as get the bikes high enough to avoid fouling the jockey wheel stem, it affords a decent clearance from them jack knifing into the van's front. This is most critical when reversing, as going ahead the vehicle's steering lock rarely is sufficiently tight to have jack knife issues.

 

IanTG replied on 16/07/2020 08:09

Posted on 16/07/2020 08:09

Thanks all, my pondering continues. We should collect new caravan next week, so I’ll be able to check coupling Weight capacity and then over next few weeks, experiment with load distribution (including bikes on A frame).

Thanks Metheven for the 350kg explanation. You’ve told me something that even the LR sales person couldn’t!

AnotherDavid replied on 16/07/2020 08:28

Posted on 16/07/2020 08:28

Ian

Have you considered a cycle rack on the rear of the van, as a continental brand I would think its suitable for fitting one. . I have tried all the alternatives and none are as convenient,in many thousands of miles I have never had the problems some think it creates .