Tesla model X

viatorem replied on 29/01/2018 09:39

Posted on 29/01/2018 09:39

Something I posted on another thread regarding EV but could be of interest.

Done some digging on the Tesla model X as it is possibly the most advanced therefore a likely likely towcar.

All this is gleaned from Teslas US owners forum and other web searches So may not be Factual. Please verify for yourself before making a purchasing decision!

OK so the P100 spec car solo has a specced range of 351 miles in ideal conditions. In the real world using heaters, aircon against the wind and up hills at motorway speeds owners report 250-260 miles with a slight drop off in battery capacity as the battery initially ages so your 351 drops to 340  over the 1st three months then stabilises.

Towing capacity on 20" wheels is 2250Kg and curiously only 1500Kg on 22" wheels. 

Some considerations are that aerodynamics play an important part in all Tesla designs so wacking a brick on the back will mess up the aero package somewhat more than conventional cars. Also stop start traffic could have an impact on range especially on a gradient.

One US owner has reported towing a boat (probably more aerodynamic than a caravan) of 2204Kg Towing performance as expected from the powerful electric motors is more than adequate, but he quotes energy usage of 575Whrs/mile solo and up to 800Whrs /mile towing which is 40% more.The owner estimated that in the worst case energy usage could be up to 60% more on gradient (hilly) routes backed up by the other tow test below. Taking the above best case and simply extrapolating the real world mileage would indicate a towing range of 150 miles max. Reducing the towing weight to 1500Kg would give approx 160 miles range. so you would probably need to pull off the motorway at 140 miles for a recharge. Maybe less if Van aerodynamics play more of a part.

If the service station has a Tesla supercharger the battery will charge at a rate of 167 miles per 20 mins  so about 45 mins or so for a full charge. However on a standard charger the charge rate is 25 miles per hour so you could be there 10hrs for a full charge.

 

another test

Here is a summary of a US model X user towing a teardrop van of 573Kg possibly 750Kg laden

Towing distance: 1,003 miles (1,033 total)
Number of Supercharger stops: 11
Average stop time: 1 hour, 34 minutes
Average Energy consumption: 612 Wh/mile
Travel time: 40.25 hours (23.02 hours driving, 17.23 hours charging)
Average travel speed: 24.9 mph

So EV's have a long way to go in my opinion, a decent battery would help!

90 miles between charges!

details of the above trip here

https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-x/2016/long-term-road-test/2016-tesla-model-x-range-and-charging-while-towing-a-trailer.html

 

 

Lutz replied on 29/01/2018 18:10

Posted on 29/01/2018 18:00 by JVB66

I have just read an bit about the new nissan leaf is expected to lose approx 75% 0f its value in 3yrs because of consumer concerns about battery lifesurprised

Posted on 29/01/2018 18:10

I sold my Lexus RX400h hybrid after 8 years with approx. 65% depreciation.

brue replied on 29/01/2018 18:20

Posted on 29/01/2018 18:00 by JVB66

I have just read an bit about the new nissan leaf is expected to lose approx 75% 0f its value in 3yrs because of consumer concerns about battery lifesurprised

Posted on 29/01/2018 18:20

What about Tesla JVB  as this is a Tesla thread? (Nissan have improved their batteries after initial problems.)

Lutz replied on 29/01/2018 18:20

Posted on 29/01/2018 18:14 by JVB66

Thats was not an all EVwink

Posted on 29/01/2018 18:20

True, but it's still got £3000 worth of batteries

viatorem replied on 29/01/2018 19:50

Posted on 29/01/2018 17:53 by peegeenine

Can you park in a charging bay with a caravan on the back? The charging point on a Tesla is at the rear of the vehicle.

Posted on 29/01/2018 19:50

Looking at the videos some charging bays are like a normal petrol station layout and others against a wall or in a parking bay, the latter type you need to unhitch.  

AJB replied on 11/02/2018 20:27

Posted on 11/02/2018 20:27

Never mind leaving the caravan attached when charging....what about motorway services only allowing parking for 2 hours before you need to pay?  I wonder how they will react to a caravan in the car park without a car?

Most CMC sites have 24 hour admission - it's called the Late Night Arrivals area! 

Steve Scott replied on 11/02/2018 21:53

Posted on 11/02/2018 21:53

One thing that hasn't been mentioned about the Tesla X which was tested on Grand Tour on Friday by JC who gave it big praise for its gizmos and its enormous speed. Obviously, JC didn't test it for towing a caravan? admitted he was sat in the car with five solicitors to make sure he didn't say anything defamatory about the car but he did!!. the main reason he could see to stop it from selling by the thousands was the £150,000 price. Not bad for a company that are struggling to make ends meet. Still had enough to put a model into space.

Steve

Kennine replied on 12/02/2018 09:21

Posted on 12/02/2018 09:21

The Tesla range is without a doubt the most advanced of all E/Vehicles. However the future will not be for even the best EV's to be used as tugs.Those wishing to tow caravans will still have to use Fossil Fuel driven cars. 

EV Campervans and small EV Motorhomes will be the future for those of us who enjoy touring and using camp sites..

cool

Cornersteady replied on 12/02/2018 09:41

Posted on 12/02/2018 09:21 by Kennine

The Tesla range is without a doubt the most advanced of all E/Vehicles. However the future will not be for even the best EV's to be used as tugs.Those wishing to tow caravans will still have to use Fossil Fuel driven cars. 

EV Campervans and small EV Motorhomes will be the future for those of us who enjoy touring and using camp sites..

cool

Posted on 12/02/2018 09:41

I don't understand your reasoning K

Reducing the towing weight to 1500Kg would give approx 160 miles range

At present this car could tow 160 miles, that's probably more than what I do in a single towing day.

That is now, not the future. I would expect an even greater range by the time all cars are electric.

Also if a battery will exist to move a motorhome as you suggest, which are heavier than cars, then it will have the power to move a lighter car plus caravan. The weights of the two will be the same? Simple physics should have told you that from your schooldays.

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