Towbars and Towing Mirrors

Daisy2 replied on 08/01/2018 20:57

Posted on 08/01/2018 20:57

Evening all

I'm after more advice please!  The motorhome is now officially up for sale, and I collect our new-to-us caravan at the end of the month.  My car is due to have a towbar fitted next weekend and the company doing the fitting asked if it was for an Al-ko hitch.  I said no, but it has a Winterhoff stabiliser fitted (bpw chassis).  They advised I would still need the Al-ko towball.  I called the caravan dealer to confirm if this was correct and I'm sure the person I spoke with knew less about towing than me, and I know next to nothing!  So eventually we arrived at the Al-ko towball is fine as the fit is standard and if I change the caravan (not something I'm planning given we haven't bought this one yet!) it would probably have an Al-ko next time as that seems to be the current 'standard', so my towbar would be ready. I'm less convinced by that argument than the fact that I think both Al-ko and Winterhoff would require a dry (rather than greased) towball?

So now I'm seeking the guidance of people that actually know what they are talking about (you!) and wonder if you could confirm for me please what I need?

Also, towing mirrors.  I used the Milenco Aero mirrors on my towing lesson (not in my car) but found myself only using the wing mirrors because being quite short I had the seat quite a long way forwards, and to look in the towing mirrors I felt like I was having to twist to use them.  I'm hoping that once I'm in my own car my driving position will be better suited to the addition of towing mirrors.  However, I came across the Milenco Grand Aero 3 (flat) mirrors and wondered if I might find these easier, especially as I'm used to the larger mirrors on the motorhome?  So any opinions on the standard Aero 3 versus the Grand Aero 3?

Thanks as always

Daisy2

EmilysDad replied on 17/01/2018 18:52

Posted on 17/01/2018 18:52

I use a Milenco flat mirror on my side & a convex mirror on the passenger side. They always seem to need adjustment though, even when you're sure they were fitted exactly as they were the previous time. Mostly, the view from the normal mirrors is good enough, which is why I've never fancied the suck-it-and-see mirrors, but the extra vision from the Milencos when needed is excellent & (mostly) vibration free.

Howard110 replied on 28/07/2022 13:49

Posted on 28/07/2022 13:49

Just changed my old Octavia hatch for a newer one, but still mark lll I think.  Found the new wing mirrors pose real problems for fitting towing mirrors. (no level sections on rim and massive slope on back rules out strap mirrors).  Wondered about economical Maypole screw on mirror but would this crack wing mirror glass?Am told Milenco are safer but which Milenco model? Would Aero lll be OK or does it have to be Aero Platinum 6606? (these seem hard to find and very pricey).  Octavia is reputed tow car so I hope members have found a solution to this problem. 

eribaMotters replied on 28/07/2022 16:00

Posted on 28/07/2022 16:00

A lot of VAG mirrors are problematic due to sloping profile and limited gap between glass edge and mirror surround.

I used Milenco Aero on VW Touran, Skoda Yeti and Audi A3, latterly with the extra cost optional rubber pads with a V ridge. This helped, but the limited gap continued to cause a problem. Since swapping to EMUK mirrors I have had problems. They are custom made to the profile of your mirrors with a cast aluminium bar that wraps around the mirror body with a small clap over the end of the mirror. They take seconds to fit and are rock solid, but expensive.

You will not find a UK supplier and probably need to use a German supplier through e-bay.

 

Colin

watto64 replied on 28/07/2022 21:16

Posted on 28/07/2022 16:00 by eribaMotters

A lot of VAG mirrors are problematic due to sloping profile and limited gap between glass edge and mirror surround.

I used Milenco Aero on VW Touran, Skoda Yeti and Audi A3, latterly with the extra cost optional rubber pads with a V ridge. This helped, but the limited gap continued to cause a problem. Since swapping to EMUK mirrors I have had problems. They are custom made to the profile of your mirrors with a cast aluminium bar that wraps around the mirror body with a small clap over the end of the mirror. They take seconds to fit and are rock solid, but expensive.

You will not find a UK supplier and probably need to use a German supplier through e-bay.

 

Colin

Posted on 28/07/2022 21:16

Ive been using suck it and see mirrors for years but will struggle with our new towcar unless i can put a step in the tube. Ive seen the EMUK mirrors on the tinternet and they look a very good product but could not find any reference to the E mark that is required for UK use. When you got yours did they come with any 'approvals'

Lutz replied on 29/07/2022 16:06

Posted on 29/07/2022 16:06

Note that if you do order anything from Germany (or anywhere else in the EU) you will now have to pay UK VAT on the invoiced amount.

eribaMotters replied on 30/07/2022 13:35

Posted on 30/07/2022 13:35

The vat issue is not a one size fits all. Post Brexit we ordered some boots for our son. They came from Spain, through Holland to the UK. As they were less than the personal import allowance we had no problems. We did not have to pay an extra or different rate of vat.

For more expensive items the situation is different. I contacted the relevant UK government offices regarding a personal import on a caravan. On this I have to pay UK vat. It gets confusing as if coming from the majority of Dutch dealers I would have to pay Dutch vat, then UK vat on import before claiming the Dutch vat back. Two dealers however were set up for UK customers and could provide the relevant paperwork for me not to pay and have to reclaim the Dutch vat.

At present the price difference on a caravan import does not make it worthwhile.

 

Colin

watto64 replied on 31/07/2022 09:46

Posted on 29/07/2022 08:49 by eribaMotters

I've just checked the back of the mirror bodies and they have an E1 logo moulded into them.

I believe I used this company:- https://www.autoteile-herr.de/emuk-wohnwagenspiegel-set-fuer-skoda-octavia-iii-100901.html

 

Colin

Posted on 31/07/2022 09:46

 cheers Colin, 

they dont have stock for xc90 but another website does so will get by on the suck it and see's next week then look again on our return. 

Do they clamp very tight on the mirror casing (possible cracking) or are they relying on the precise fit on the casing.

 

They do look like a good piece of kit.

eribaMotters replied on 31/07/2022 10:01

Posted on 31/07/2022 10:01

The fit of the cast aluminium arm is very precise, also cushioned by a neoprene type foam. The clamp [on mine] pitches firmly around the outmost edge of the mirror body. I do not believe a potential crack would be an issue.

 

Colin

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