Towing weight, Which is legally correct?

viatorem replied on 09/06/2022 18:51

Posted on 09/06/2022 18:51

Bit of a pub discussion this.

To tow legally is it:

a. Plated Car Gross train weight Kg  minus Car Maximum Authorised mass Kg= car towing limit Kg = maximum caravan mass Kg.

As well as complying with maximum axle limits Kg of car and caravan plus hitch/ car plated nose weight Kg.

eg GTW 3500Kg - MAM 2000Kg = 1500kg = MTPLM of van

Or 

b. Plated Car Gross train weight Kg minus Car Maximum Authorised mass Kg plus hitch nose weight Kg = car towing limit Kg = maximum caravan mass Kg. As well as complying with maximum axle limits Kg of car and caravan plus hitch/ car plated nose weight Kg 

eg. GTW 3500Kg - MAM 2000Kg = 1500kg + nose weight 80Kg = 1580 = MTPLM of van

I've seen a few threads that raise this question where it has been said nose weight is effectively transferred to the car loading therefore the van MTPLM is minus nose weight? If correct this gives scope for extra van load or towing weight provided GTW and axle loading etc is not exceeded.

Which is legally right? Or have I got both wrong or misinterpreted what has been said? 🤔

There are implications for accidents/insurance and for those with claims for failed axles.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ChocolateTrees replied on 11/07/2022 07:43

Posted on 10/07/2022 21:49 by ScreenNameADF2063F76

I have looked up https://www.legislation.gov.uk/eur/2012/1230 as referred to by Lutz.

Reading Article 2, Definitions, paragraph 7 states, “technically permissible maximum laden mass’ (M) means the maximum mass allocated to a vehicle on the basis of its construction features and its design performances; the technically permissible laden mass of a trailer or of a semi-trailer includes the static mass transferred to the towing vehicle when coupled;”

While I would love to gain an extra 90 or so kilograms of payload, the fact is that the weight borne by the tow bar is still to be included in the maximum technically permitted laden mass of the trailer.

Posted on 11/07/2022 07:43

MTPLM (and total van payload) is independent of node weight. Your van MUST be equal to or less than the MPTLM.

The noseweight aspect is important for the GTW (gross train weight) and weight being towed by the car.

These are separate limits and treated separately.

Lutz replied on 11/07/2022 08:16

Posted on 11/07/2022 07:43 by ChocolateTrees

MTPLM (and total van payload) is independent of node weight. Your van MUST be equal to or less than the MPTLM.

The noseweight aspect is important for the GTW (gross train weight) and weight being towed by the car.

These are separate limits and treated separately.

Posted on 11/07/2022 08:16

The above post can lead to misunderstandings

For a start, MTPLM is not independent of noseweight. It is the total weight of the caravan, including the noseweight. Only the payload is independent of noseweight.

Noseweight is part of the total weight of the car.

The total weight being towed by the car is the axle load of the caravan, so it does not include the noseweight. If it were, one would be counting noseweight twice, once including it in the total weight of the car and again in the towed weight.

 

ChocolateTrees replied on 11/07/2022 08:56

Posted on 11/07/2022 08:16 by Lutz

The above post can lead to misunderstandings

For a start, MTPLM is not independent of noseweight. It is the total weight of the caravan, including the noseweight. Only the payload is independent of noseweight.

Noseweight is part of the total weight of the car.

The total weight being towed by the car is the axle load of the caravan, so it does not include the noseweight. If it were, one would be counting noseweight twice, once including it in the total weight of the car and again in the towed weight.

 

Posted on 11/07/2022 08:56

Hi Lutz, that is what I meant. The MPTLM is a stand alone figure. When nose weight is 0 (unhitched) the weight of the trailer is by the sum of the weight of the axles. This must be equal to or less than the MPTLM.

Once hitched, the weight on the towbar is still a part of the weight contributing to the MPTLM of the trailer, whether that is 10kg or 100kg. 
I.E. changing nose weight does not change either the trailer weight for MTPLM, or it’s available payload.

However, changing nose weight does affect the car payload, as it is part of that payload.

A 1550kg trailer with 50kg nose weight is towed mass of 1500kg. With a 100kg nose weight is 1450kg towed mass. 

 

Lutz replied on 11/07/2022 09:25

Posted on 11/07/2022 09:25

To make it quite clear, when the caravan is standing alone, the MTPLM includes then load on the jockey wheel.

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