Towing with an EV - trip report

ChocolateTrees replied on 26/11/2021 10:44

Posted on 26/11/2021 10:44

Warning - Very long post alert!

Towcar - Polestar 2 LongRange Dual motor Launch edition. (300kW motors (408ps) , 78kWh battery)
Caravan - Bailey Unicorn Vigo S3 Max weight upgrade.
2 Passengers on way - me and SWMBO - 4 on return (daughters joined us mid trip).
Start - Towcester in South Northants. Destination Borrowdale cub site in the Lake district.

7:00am 100%
We left home on the Friday morning (22nd Oct) at about 7:00am Car was charged to 100% over night and preconditioned using mains power. Roads were damp but clear skys and about 8C. Our route planned was A43 to M1, M1 to M6, M6 to Penrith and then down to Keswick and the site. I had planned for two charging stops, the 1st near Stoke on Trent and the second around Lancaster.

We got going in fairly light traffic until joining the M1. When towing with the EV, I set cruise at 56mph, but as soon as I find a big lorry, I tuck in behind it for slipstreaming and follow it. If a faster lorry comes past, I will pull out and follow that.
Progress was fine with a minor slow down on the M6 near J3, and good all through Birmingam. From getting started, I was watching my economy (kWh/100miles is how the car displays it) and looking for a number below 67 (lower is better) - my target for the journey. By Birmingham the number was at about 60 and I was very comfortable with a 2 stop strategy. Unfortunately, as we drove we were getting reports of major congestion on the M6 after Stafford with major queues. While that would be good for the EV economy - not so good for arrival time, so we opted for an early pit stop in Stafford services.

9:00am 35%
Stafford Northbound has two new Gridserve chargers and I had already looked at the location in the carpark. Ignoring the "caravans here" sign, we headed for the main carpark and found a quiet spot away from the cafe area near the white vans that accumulate there. Unhitched the van in a space, and I drove the 50 meters to the charger. One was in use and I popped the car on the other, starting the charge at 9:09. After 2 hours on the road I was ready for a coffee and cheeky bacon sarnie, so Greggs did the job. My wife and I took turns to head in and use the facilities, while the other guarded the van (corner steady down, sat inside). I consumed my coffee and food, opted for a second bathroom break and then we were ready to go again. 40 mins of charging yielded 34.7kWh (half a battery) and 72%. The charge was pretty slow by my cars standard averaging about 40kW


9:50am 72%
We hit the road again and battled through the rest of the M6 hold up with some rain kicking in. While in Stafford, we had decided to stop at Crow Orchard, a new 8 station charging hub South of Charnock Richard or - if the battery would stretch - at Charnock Richard, and then again near Penrith. The 1st stop at Stafford was earlier than I had planned and a 3 stop strategy seemed inevitable. As the miles rolled on, slipstreaming another big rig, I realised my economy was around 57kWh/100miles - much better than I had hoped. A quick calculation and look at WhatsApp and ABRP, revealed the E.ON chargers at Preston East - an ultra rapid, and in reach of our destination in one go if we got a good charge.

11:35 16% 164 miles
We pulled in again to the Starbucks at Preston East. A big wide space, right next to the 2 chargers was sitting waiting to take the caravan. Quick unhitch and onto charge. Once again, we took turns to use the facilities, had a coffee, and decided to eat a bit of early lunch. A couple of other EVs came and went, with the usual chatter (Is that a citroen - no, its a Polestar; What's it like towing the caravan - great; is it fast - very.) 48 mins ticked by and we hit the 90% needed to get all the way to Keswick. In the time it took me to get out and ready to unplug we hit 92.

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12:31 92%
The E.ON charger had been fast, 63kWh pulled in in 56 mins, still not as fast as the car can charge, but good. On the road one final time. We had a hard time finding a lorry to follow after ours inconsiderately left the M6 toward Blackpool, but did get onto one on the way up Shap. Economy suffered a bit, but not too badly, and I had built in a reserve. We left the M6 at Penrith, and headed down the A66. Back on the single lane section, it was much harder to keep the speed below 50. With the car set up to coast when my foot was off the accelerator, it would roll very easily over the speed limit on the down hill sections. Much attention needed.

14:30 11% 257 miles
We finally pulled into Borrowdale at about 2:30pm, having covered over 90 miles on the last leg, with 11% remaining. I paid for the pitch and paid for one nights EV charging from the post (£8). The wardens confirmed that we were the first full EV towing to use the site that they were aware of. We got set up and plugged the car in, with the car constrained to 8A to leave some headroom for the van appliances. By next morning we were back up to 55% and ready to head out.

Return Journey.

30/10/2021
8:40am 100% 7c Very wet 0miles
Again - we charged the car overnight on the Club site from the van, and preconditioned. The weather was poor, and had been for the last few days with the lakes making the national news due to rainfall. The lakes were high, rivers had burst, and the car had coped well.

We towed off the site, through Grange and gingerly headed back up toward Keswick, knowing there was at least one flooded section to drive through. Needn't have worried as the Polestar never missed a beat.
Heading up the A66 was miserable it was cold and wet and uphill all the way to Penrith. The target economy of 67 kWk/100m was nowhere to be seen with more like 85 showing. I told myself "its all up hill here, and Shap is downhill" and kept going. We joined the M6, and it was empty. Usually great for a holiday, but not if you want to follow a lorry. After a few mins we spotted on in the distance ahead and I eased the car up to 60 to catch it. We ducked into its stream and followed it to Preston. I shouldn't have worried as I was right; as soon as we were on the motorway, heading down hill and with a windbreaker lorry, the economy climbed and we were back below the target 67 by Kendal. Whilst we could have gone further on the battery charge remaining, we opted for the same stop as we had on the way up, as the driver and one passenger really needed to. Making the diversion into Preston East, we popped into exactly the same spot and charger as on the way up.

10:40am 17% 93 Miles
The sun came out, as we parked the caravan, this time with 4 of us. Coffee and hot chocolate, and a rapid charge. Target was 85%, but we hit 87% in 48 mins, loading in 60kWh. This time we had a two stop strategy in mind and I was aiming for Hilton Park services north of Birmingham.

11:30 87%
Back on the road, and the weather continued to improve. Following lorries all the way down, we got to Hilton Park services with no issues.

1:24pm 18% 187 miles
At Hilton park, the Caravan bays are separated from the main carpark by a low wall. We pulled into the caravan area and un-hitched. I then drove round to the charger and got started.
We manually turned the van round through 180, got a steady down and set up for loo stops and lunch. For whatever reason the new gridserve charger was on a go slow, delivering 51kWh in an hour. It didn't really matter as we ate lunch in the caravan, and had a coffee after. Our target was 80% and we left with 83% for the final leg home.

2:50pm 21% 260 miles
A stilly mistake as we came to the end of the M6, I got in the wrong lane, and ended up on the A14 east instead of the M1 south. Having chastised myself, we got of at the 1st junction and decided to head direct south through Northampton to home. A slightly longer route over all, but not as long as going back to the M1. We got home around 15 mins later than we would have hoped.

Take aways.
Average consumption
Outbound 57kWh/100miles;
Return leg - 60.6kWh/100m
(usually 34-36kWh/100m Solo)

1) The weather on the way back made a huge difference - wet more than cold impacts the economy.
2) We charged too much for the last section, I built in a good 15% more than I needed to, which was perhaps 15-17 mins of charging.
3) Planning really helps - knowing where you can stop, but not necessarily where you WILL stop. Gives you options.
4) Motorway services are not bad - just make up your own rules as to where you will park, and ask forgiveness rather than permission (not that I needed to).
5) Non-motorway services work really well too.
6) Longer distance caravanning works great in an EV if you are prepared to stop (like me). For those who want to do a 6 hour 300 mile tow in one go, not so much.
7) Would I trade in the extra range for going back to an ICE tow car? Emphatic no for me. The Kia EV6 would be on my list of tow cars though for the ultra rapid (18min 10-80%) charge speed.

SteveL replied on 27/02/2022 11:06

Posted on 27/02/2022 11:06

Personally I would love to have an electric car but for the amount of miles I do I can't, currently, justify the price. As far as electric motorhomes are concerned I imagine I will have given up the hobby long before they become the mainstream.

This is not something that is being forced on people in the coming months, it is still 8 years away. By then, no doubt, EV's will have far greater range and supporting charging infrastructure will be in place.

Very much the same as us. We have two 7 / 8 year old ICE cars that are low mileage and don’t cost us a lot to keep running. Most of our journeys are short and an EV would suffice but the financials just don’t stack up. Particularly as if we wait a few more years even the cheaper ones might have a decent range. 

As far as the MH is concerned, we bought it with the intention it would be the first and last and made very sure it suited us, which it does. As EV’s are generally heavier I’m not sure how you could replicate ours and keep it within my soon to be  licence restriction of 3.5 tonnes.

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Oscarmax replied on 27/02/2022 12:21

Posted on 27/02/2022 11:06 by SteveL

Personally I would love to have an electric car but for the amount of miles I do I can't, currently, justify the price. As far as electric motorhomes are concerned I imagine I will have given up the hobby long before they become the mainstream.

This is not something that is being forced on people in the coming months, it is still 8 years away. By then, no doubt, EV's will have far greater range and supporting charging infrastructure will be in place.

Very much the same as us. We have two 7 / 8 year old ICE cars that are low mileage and don’t cost us a lot to keep running. Most of our journeys are short and an EV would suffice but the financials just don’t stack up. Particularly as if we wait a few more years even the cheaper ones might have a decent range. 

As far as the MH is concerned, we bought it with the intention it would be the first and last and made very sure it suited us, which it does. As EV’s are generally heavier I’m not sure how you could replicate ours and keep it within my soon to be  licence restriction of 3.5 tonnes.

Posted on 27/02/2022 12:21

I to would love a EV towcar, unfortunately I am disabled so unhitching to charge up is an issue, no doubt in the very near future this will change EV towing ranges will increase, at present we tow with an 2020 Outlander PHEV over the last 20 months 10790 miles our total fuel bill including electric £838.10

cyberyacht replied on 27/02/2022 15:10

Posted on 27/02/2022 15:10

My OH's car uses about £450 of fuel per year. That equates to a 10 year payback on a relatively modest E-car even assuming electric was free which it isn't. By then I'd be approaching my nineties. Would I still be driving? Unlikely and by keeping the ICE vehicle we save the environmental impact of a new electric one.

Tinwheeler replied on 27/02/2022 15:21

Posted on 27/02/2022 15:21

There are many folk in that situation, CY, and nobody is trying to sell EVs to others so we can rest easy and see what the future holds.👍🏻

JohnM20 replied on 27/02/2022 15:52

Posted on 27/02/2022 15:52

Whilst I'm not against EVs in principle, there are several factors that stop me even slightly considering one at present:

1. Cost. Even small EVs cost more than a decent sized ICE car. The price may not be a consideration if the car is a company vehicle. ( I believe this is the case with Chocolate Trees' car but please correct me if I'm wrong). Would users of company owned EVs go out and purchase what they currently have if they didn't have the benefit of it being paid for by someone else?

2. Size. I need a decent sized car for what I do and certainly would need one for caravanning. See 1 above.

3. Range. Not a frequent  problem as I tend to do either shortish journeys or the occasional quite long one. Not much in between. The longer journeys usually have a caravan in tow. I can tow to Cornwall without a fuel stop with my Euro 6 very clean burning Mondeo and still have some fuel left in the tank. I couldn't with an EV. What would that journey be like in the height of summer?

4. I'm not currently convinced about how 'green' and 'clean' an EV is claimed to be. What comes out of the exhaust of an ICE vehicle is only part of what causes atmospheric pollution. What about tyre particles and airborne brake dust? What settles on your front wheels is only a proportion of what is created. The rest is in the air. This applies to both  ICE and EV vehicles.

All that said, in the future, when I have stopped caravanning or having the desire to travel long distances I may start to consider an EV. But not at the moment.

Just as an afterthought, weren't we all told a few years ago to go out and buy diesel cars? Now we are told not to. Will this be the case with EVs? Who can tell.

 

 

ChocolateTrees replied on 28/02/2022 12:19

Posted on 27/02/2022 15:52 by JohnM20

Whilst I'm not against EVs in principle, there are several factors that stop me even slightly considering one at present:

1. Cost. Even small EVs cost more than a decent sized ICE car. The price may not be a consideration if the car is a company vehicle. ( I believe this is the case with Chocolate Trees' car but please correct me if I'm wrong). Would users of company owned EVs go out and purchase what they currently have if they didn't have the benefit of it being paid for by someone else?

2. Size. I need a decent sized car for what I do and certainly would need one for caravanning. See 1 above.

3. Range. Not a frequent  problem as I tend to do either shortish journeys or the occasional quite long one. Not much in between. The longer journeys usually have a caravan in tow. I can tow to Cornwall without a fuel stop with my Euro 6 very clean burning Mondeo and still have some fuel left in the tank. I couldn't with an EV. What would that journey be like in the height of summer?

4. I'm not currently convinced about how 'green' and 'clean' an EV is claimed to be. What comes out of the exhaust of an ICE vehicle is only part of what causes atmospheric pollution. What about tyre particles and airborne brake dust? What settles on your front wheels is only a proportion of what is created. The rest is in the air. This applies to both  ICE and EV vehicles.

All that said, in the future, when I have stopped caravanning or having the desire to travel long distances I may start to consider an EV. But not at the moment.

Just as an afterthought, weren't we all told a few years ago to go out and buy diesel cars? Now we are told not to. Will this be the case with EVs? Who can tell.

 

 

Posted on 28/02/2022 12:19

Whilst I'm not against EVs in principle, there are several factors that stop me even slightly considering one at present:

1. Cost. Even small EVs cost more than a decent sized ICE car. The price may not be a consideration if the car is a company vehicle. ( I believe this is the case with Chocolate Trees' car but please correct me if I'm wrong). Would users of company owned EVs go out and purchase what they currently have if they didn't have the benefit of it being paid for by someone else?

My EV is indeed a company car, so I have a huge cost benefit. But I bought my PHEV in 2017 2nd hand ought right at a year old. That will go in the next 12 months, along with the Kia Picanto (once our youngest has learned to drive) and be replaced with a smaller EV.  We will either buy that, or - more likely - lease or PHP one. The residuals on EVs are very strong, so lease / PHP costs are lower than those for ICE, for a higher initial price tag. 

2. Size. I need a decent sized car for what I do and certainly would need one for caravanning. See 1 above.

Available - but agreed - tied to 1)

3. Range. Not a frequent  problem as I tend to do either shortish journeys or the occasional quite long one. Not much in between. The longer journeys usually have a caravan in tow. I can tow to Cornwall without a fuel stop with my Euro 6 very clean burning Mondeo and still have some fuel left in the tank. I couldn't with an EV. What would that journey be like in the height of summer?

I won't labour the point on range - It's a personal choice, either you are happy to charge when you stop, or your are not. I am. Maybe you are not. Will it be possible in the height of summer - so far my experience tells me yes, but I will let you know if that changes.

4. I'm not currently convinced about how 'green' and 'clean' an EV is claimed to be. What comes out of the exhaust of an ICE vehicle is only part of what causes atmospheric pollution. What about tyre particles and airborne brake dust? What settles on your front wheels is only a proportion of what is created. The rest is in the air. This applies to both  ICE and EV vehicles.

This is an old argument, and is - frankly - whataboutery. Yes EVs use tyres and generate particulates from them. The amount is similar to that for an ICE car - (tyres last about the same mileage). EVs use regeneration over friction brakes so the particulates from friction breaking are far far lower. And either way, those emissions pale into minute insignificance when compared to the ICE component (CO2 and NOx). Your "very clean Euro6 Mondeo" is clean by ICE standards. But compared to an EV its belching poisonous gas. Park it in a closed garage for a few hours with the engine ticking over to find out just how much. - I mean don't actually do that, I don't want anyone to die in the name of science. But dismissing ICE emissions as being almost as clean as an EV because of tyres and brake dust, is frankly nonsense. 

That said - it is NOT a reason to go and scrap your perfectly good cleaner ICE today. Change it when you need to and not before. Maintain it properly to minimise its impact and  think before you use it. That's exactly what we do with our ICE and PHEV. 

All that said, in the future, when I have stopped caravanning or having the desire to travel long distances I may start to consider an EV. But not at the moment.

That's an eminently sensible position to take. The consideration of what comes next is most important part and all anyone can ask. 

Just as an afterthought, weren't we all told a few years ago to go out and buy diesel cars? Now we are told not to.

Yes - the truth changed. Back then, the government took a (misinformed) stance on pure CO2 emissions, rather than combined particulate emissions. The move away from diesel back to petrol is for local health impacts (reduction in NOx, soot and particulates). The move towards EV is about global change (reduction in man made CO2), that also happens to benefit the local health. 

Will this be the case with EVs? Who can tell.

Maybe - maybe not. But actually, I don't care either way. For now, an EV (for me) gives me a lower cost motoring experience, that is more convenient, definitively less polluting, more practical and more enjoyable than my previous ICE experience. So it's all good. That wont be the case for everyone, and each must make their own evaluation, and move when the time is right for them (if ever). What I do know is that diesel and petrol in passenger cars have had their day. They will be gradually phased out (diesel -> petrol -> EV) What comes next is anyones guess, but they will go. 

ChocolateTrees replied on 30/03/2022 15:06

Posted on 30/03/2022 15:06

Thanks for that link DK. Looks like the poster has had a very similar experience to me range and towing capability wise. Will be great to see his future videos, if the EV6 performs better on the motorway, and how well it charges. I have to say the towbar on the Polestar is waaaaay nicer than the Kia setup! But I would like is 800V rapid charge and V2L. 

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