Towing with an EV - trip report

ChocolateTrees replied on 26/11/2021 10:44

Posted on 26/11/2021 10:44

Warning - Very long post alert!

Towcar - Polestar 2 LongRange Dual motor Launch edition. (300kW motors (408ps) , 78kWh battery)
Caravan - Bailey Unicorn Vigo S3 Max weight upgrade.
2 Passengers on way - me and SWMBO - 4 on return (daughters joined us mid trip).
Start - Towcester in South Northants. Destination Borrowdale cub site in the Lake district.

7:00am 100%
We left home on the Friday morning (22nd Oct) at about 7:00am Car was charged to 100% over night and preconditioned using mains power. Roads were damp but clear skys and about 8C. Our route planned was A43 to M1, M1 to M6, M6 to Penrith and then down to Keswick and the site. I had planned for two charging stops, the 1st near Stoke on Trent and the second around Lancaster.

We got going in fairly light traffic until joining the M1. When towing with the EV, I set cruise at 56mph, but as soon as I find a big lorry, I tuck in behind it for slipstreaming and follow it. If a faster lorry comes past, I will pull out and follow that.
Progress was fine with a minor slow down on the M6 near J3, and good all through Birmingam. From getting started, I was watching my economy (kWh/100miles is how the car displays it) and looking for a number below 67 (lower is better) - my target for the journey. By Birmingham the number was at about 60 and I was very comfortable with a 2 stop strategy. Unfortunately, as we drove we were getting reports of major congestion on the M6 after Stafford with major queues. While that would be good for the EV economy - not so good for arrival time, so we opted for an early pit stop in Stafford services.

9:00am 35%
Stafford Northbound has two new Gridserve chargers and I had already looked at the location in the carpark. Ignoring the "caravans here" sign, we headed for the main carpark and found a quiet spot away from the cafe area near the white vans that accumulate there. Unhitched the van in a space, and I drove the 50 meters to the charger. One was in use and I popped the car on the other, starting the charge at 9:09. After 2 hours on the road I was ready for a coffee and cheeky bacon sarnie, so Greggs did the job. My wife and I took turns to head in and use the facilities, while the other guarded the van (corner steady down, sat inside). I consumed my coffee and food, opted for a second bathroom break and then we were ready to go again. 40 mins of charging yielded 34.7kWh (half a battery) and 72%. The charge was pretty slow by my cars standard averaging about 40kW


9:50am 72%
We hit the road again and battled through the rest of the M6 hold up with some rain kicking in. While in Stafford, we had decided to stop at Crow Orchard, a new 8 station charging hub South of Charnock Richard or - if the battery would stretch - at Charnock Richard, and then again near Penrith. The 1st stop at Stafford was earlier than I had planned and a 3 stop strategy seemed inevitable. As the miles rolled on, slipstreaming another big rig, I realised my economy was around 57kWh/100miles - much better than I had hoped. A quick calculation and look at WhatsApp and ABRP, revealed the E.ON chargers at Preston East - an ultra rapid, and in reach of our destination in one go if we got a good charge.

11:35 16% 164 miles
We pulled in again to the Starbucks at Preston East. A big wide space, right next to the 2 chargers was sitting waiting to take the caravan. Quick unhitch and onto charge. Once again, we took turns to use the facilities, had a coffee, and decided to eat a bit of early lunch. A couple of other EVs came and went, with the usual chatter (Is that a citroen - no, its a Polestar; What's it like towing the caravan - great; is it fast - very.) 48 mins ticked by and we hit the 90% needed to get all the way to Keswick. In the time it took me to get out and ready to unplug we hit 92.

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12:31 92%
The E.ON charger had been fast, 63kWh pulled in in 56 mins, still not as fast as the car can charge, but good. On the road one final time. We had a hard time finding a lorry to follow after ours inconsiderately left the M6 toward Blackpool, but did get onto one on the way up Shap. Economy suffered a bit, but not too badly, and I had built in a reserve. We left the M6 at Penrith, and headed down the A66. Back on the single lane section, it was much harder to keep the speed below 50. With the car set up to coast when my foot was off the accelerator, it would roll very easily over the speed limit on the down hill sections. Much attention needed.

14:30 11% 257 miles
We finally pulled into Borrowdale at about 2:30pm, having covered over 90 miles on the last leg, with 11% remaining. I paid for the pitch and paid for one nights EV charging from the post (£8). The wardens confirmed that we were the first full EV towing to use the site that they were aware of. We got set up and plugged the car in, with the car constrained to 8A to leave some headroom for the van appliances. By next morning we were back up to 55% and ready to head out.

Return Journey.

30/10/2021
8:40am 100% 7c Very wet 0miles
Again - we charged the car overnight on the Club site from the van, and preconditioned. The weather was poor, and had been for the last few days with the lakes making the national news due to rainfall. The lakes were high, rivers had burst, and the car had coped well.

We towed off the site, through Grange and gingerly headed back up toward Keswick, knowing there was at least one flooded section to drive through. Needn't have worried as the Polestar never missed a beat.
Heading up the A66 was miserable it was cold and wet and uphill all the way to Penrith. The target economy of 67 kWk/100m was nowhere to be seen with more like 85 showing. I told myself "its all up hill here, and Shap is downhill" and kept going. We joined the M6, and it was empty. Usually great for a holiday, but not if you want to follow a lorry. After a few mins we spotted on in the distance ahead and I eased the car up to 60 to catch it. We ducked into its stream and followed it to Preston. I shouldn't have worried as I was right; as soon as we were on the motorway, heading down hill and with a windbreaker lorry, the economy climbed and we were back below the target 67 by Kendal. Whilst we could have gone further on the battery charge remaining, we opted for the same stop as we had on the way up, as the driver and one passenger really needed to. Making the diversion into Preston East, we popped into exactly the same spot and charger as on the way up.

10:40am 17% 93 Miles
The sun came out, as we parked the caravan, this time with 4 of us. Coffee and hot chocolate, and a rapid charge. Target was 85%, but we hit 87% in 48 mins, loading in 60kWh. This time we had a two stop strategy in mind and I was aiming for Hilton Park services north of Birmingham.

11:30 87%
Back on the road, and the weather continued to improve. Following lorries all the way down, we got to Hilton Park services with no issues.

1:24pm 18% 187 miles
At Hilton park, the Caravan bays are separated from the main carpark by a low wall. We pulled into the caravan area and un-hitched. I then drove round to the charger and got started.
We manually turned the van round through 180, got a steady down and set up for loo stops and lunch. For whatever reason the new gridserve charger was on a go slow, delivering 51kWh in an hour. It didn't really matter as we ate lunch in the caravan, and had a coffee after. Our target was 80% and we left with 83% for the final leg home.

2:50pm 21% 260 miles
A stilly mistake as we came to the end of the M6, I got in the wrong lane, and ended up on the A14 east instead of the M1 south. Having chastised myself, we got of at the 1st junction and decided to head direct south through Northampton to home. A slightly longer route over all, but not as long as going back to the M1. We got home around 15 mins later than we would have hoped.

Take aways.
Average consumption
Outbound 57kWh/100miles;
Return leg - 60.6kWh/100m
(usually 34-36kWh/100m Solo)

1) The weather on the way back made a huge difference - wet more than cold impacts the economy.
2) We charged too much for the last section, I built in a good 15% more than I needed to, which was perhaps 15-17 mins of charging.
3) Planning really helps - knowing where you can stop, but not necessarily where you WILL stop. Gives you options.
4) Motorway services are not bad - just make up your own rules as to where you will park, and ask forgiveness rather than permission (not that I needed to).
5) Non-motorway services work really well too.
6) Longer distance caravanning works great in an EV if you are prepared to stop (like me). For those who want to do a 6 hour 300 mile tow in one go, not so much.
7) Would I trade in the extra range for going back to an ICE tow car? Emphatic no for me. The Kia EV6 would be on my list of tow cars though for the ultra rapid (18min 10-80%) charge speed.

EmilysDad replied on 01/12/2021 18:07

Posted on 01/12/2021 13:38 by ChocolateTrees

Thats very kind :-) Sometimes I do wonder if I cross the line between "Evangelist" and "Fanatic" ;-)

I think there is absolutely no harm in being a doubter. Everyone has their own individual requirements and parameters that need to be met before they choose to adopt any new technology, especially one as expensive and long term as a car. 

For myself, I am happy to help answer questions and present the real view from the (b)leading edge. Sometimes the reports in the media don't quite match the view on the ground. There is nothing less news worthy than a story that says "its working ok, nothing to see here". I try and be as "real" as I can, showing the warts and all when they are there. 

 

Posted on 01/12/2021 18:07

I like the idea of electric cars (I think I'd lean towards hybrids though - give a bit of wiggle room) but I'm not spending big money on a Tesla Model X which I think is the only electric car that could tow our caravan. And I am sceptical on whether we'll have the infra structure to meet future charging requirements. Places up & down the country have been without any power since last Friday due to a storm and some places in Scotland are likely to still be without it until Friday coming. It doesn't inspire confidence when they can't maintain what we already have, without adding & maintaining loads more.

A while back, Guy Martin was mentioned in his long range trip in an electric car, which is was suggested that it was rigged to fail. It was suggested that planning could have been better .... it might ... but most of us want to get from A to B as easily as possible without complicated logistics. Guy can't be completely averse to leccy cars ... he owns one.

Tirril replied on 01/12/2021 19:20

Posted on 01/12/2021 19:20

Many thanks for the detailed report but rather than provide reassurance it convinces me to stick with my diesel engine. Having to tuck in behind lorries to slip stream can be dangerous with a restriction in forward visibility. I'd sooner live a little longer than save the battery range. Having to unhitch at service charge points and sit and eat food to pass time is not how I would wish to go about my holidays. Finally the caravan itself, I prefer something of decent space whereas most electric cars cannot yet tow anything other than small lightweights.

NutsyH replied on 02/12/2021 10:14

Posted on 02/12/2021 10:14

Disclosure - I am a petrolhead so biased, however CT is pleased with his car and is providing us all with useful, real time information on using one of these EV's.

The fact that CT's EV is a company car makes a massive difference to the cost - in several ways.

No benefit in kind tax on both the vehicle cost and personal use of fuel. Salary sacrifice  to fund the lease costs, saving substantial amounts of income tax and NI (personal and employer) - all  fine if you are an employee but no good for us retired types.

Also at the moment no VED or fuel tax - although that will no doubt change. Tax on mileage would require such massive, costly infrastructure that it will not happen in my lifetime.

Whilst I have no stats, I suspect that the vast majority of EV cars currently in use are company vehicles, but for privately owned EVs the cost is not justifiable.

Regarding the comments in this thread about the number of fuel pumps compared to the number of charging points, what is overlooked in comparing the numbers is the plain fact that filling a 110 litre diesel tank (my SUV) takes around 5 minutes max - compared to what for an EV? 1 hour maybe? So you need 12 chargers at least for each fossil pump. And I get 650 miles out of that, reducing to around 400 when towing.

What is said above about Johnson is spot on. This stupid 2030 cliff edge hasn't even been passed in Parliament yet - it has been pushed back to "sometime" in 2022. I think it was all a gimmick to make him look good at Cop26. Surely someone with sense in HMG will realise that this timescale is unsustainable without crippling the country. There was nothing in his Manifesto about any of this climate change stuff - I wonder if his majority would have been as big if we had all known what he (more like Carrie) was planning? 

EmilysDad replied on 02/12/2021 12:42

Posted on 02/12/2021 12:42

@ Nutsy ... filling a 110 litre diesel tank (my SUV)

😲 I bet filling that from empty brings a tear to your wallet! The 93 litre tank on mine is bad enough 🙄

ChocolateTrees replied on 02/12/2021 23:26

Posted on 02/12/2021 10:14 by NutsyH

Disclosure - I am a petrolhead so biased, however CT is pleased with his car and is providing us all with useful, real time information on using one of these EV's.

The fact that CT's EV is a company car makes a massive difference to the cost - in several ways.

No benefit in kind tax on both the vehicle cost and personal use of fuel. Salary sacrifice  to fund the lease costs, saving substantial amounts of income tax and NI (personal and employer) - all  fine if you are an employee but no good for us retired types.

Also at the moment no VED or fuel tax - although that will no doubt change. Tax on mileage would require such massive, costly infrastructure that it will not happen in my lifetime.

Whilst I have no stats, I suspect that the vast majority of EV cars currently in use are company vehicles, but for privately owned EVs the cost is not justifiable.

Regarding the comments in this thread about the number of fuel pumps compared to the number of charging points, what is overlooked in comparing the numbers is the plain fact that filling a 110 litre diesel tank (my SUV) takes around 5 minutes max - compared to what for an EV? 1 hour maybe? So you need 12 chargers at least for each fossil pump. And I get 650 miles out of that, reducing to around 400 when towing.

What is said above about Johnson is spot on. This stupid 2030 cliff edge hasn't even been passed in Parliament yet - it has been pushed back to "sometime" in 2022. I think it was all a gimmick to make him look good at Cop26. Surely someone with sense in HMG will realise that this timescale is unsustainable without crippling the country. There was nothing in his Manifesto about any of this climate change stuff - I wonder if his majority would have been as big if we had all known what he (more like Carrie) was planning? 

Posted on 02/12/2021 23:26

Thanks Nutsy :-)

"No benefit in kind tax on both the vehicle cost and personal use of fuel. Salary sacrifice to fund the lease costs, saving substantial amounts of income tax and NI (personal and employer) - all fine if you are an employee but no good for us retired types."

I do pay car tax on the car, but its 1% of list, taxed at my marginal rate, going up to 2% of list for the 3 years. Its a very low rate. I also pay BIK at my marginal rate on charging at home and when on the road. In November the up front cost was a whopping £43, and I will be taxed on that value. That covered probably 750 to 1000 miles of driving, and bout 50 miles of towing. 

But I take your point on retired costs. 

"Also at the moment no VED or fuel tax - although that will no doubt change. Tax on mileage would require such massive, costly infrastructure that it will not happen in my lifetime."

I cant see how there could ever be a fuel tax on electricity for cars. Variable rate charging to encourage green use - yes, but taking electricity for EVs? Its not practical and would further penalise those that can't afford off road parking or local micro-generation. VED will climb - it has to, but so it will on ICE too. 

"Whilst I have no stats, I suspect that the vast majority of EV cars currently in use are company vehicles, but for privately owned EVs the cost is not justifiable."

I am not so sure. I think this year 2021, will have seen a huge increase in company EV, but prior to that , they were majority private. The tax breaks only kicked in in 2020 and lots of companies took a long time enable their employees with EVs. I have owned a PHEV for 4 years, it would have been cost prohibitive as a company car .

"Regarding the comments in this thread about the number of fuel pumps compared to the number of charging points, what is overlooked in comparing the numbers is the plain fact that filling a 110 litre diesel tank (my SUV) takes around 5 minutes max - compared to what for an EV? 1 hour maybe? So you need 12 chargers at least for each fossil pump. And I get 650 miles out of that, reducing to around 400 when towing."

Well - yes and no. Yes , an EV needs longer on a pump than an ICE, though the EV6, Ioniq5, and a few others can do 10% - 80% in 18 mins. Thats a 4x increase in time, not 12. Mine can to 10 - 80 in 45 mins given the right charger (so 9x not 12x). But - here is the key - I have done 8000 miles in my car since mid May. I can still remember pretty much each and every rapid charge I have done in that time ~ around 30 occasions. Of those only only about 12 have been for 30 mins or more, the rest the equivalent of a splash and dash. 

Thats an average of 266 miles per rapid charge, but I would think that of those 8000 miles, as few as 2000 have been fed by the rapids, and that number of charges for the miles is VERY high for me as the majority of the long rapid charges have been whilst towing. So perhaps 6000 miles have been charged either from home, or from slower destination chargers. I.e. for the average EV driver (who is home charging) doing reasonable but not mega miles, I would say is charging as few as 1/4 or less miles on public rapid infrastructure. The vast majority is from home. Its cheaper and far more convenient. 

 

 

NutsyH replied on 03/12/2021 08:27

Posted on 02/12/2021 12:42 by EmilysDad

@ Nutsy ... filling a 110 litre diesel tank (my SUV)

😲 I bet filling that from empty brings a tear to your wallet! The 93 litre tank on mine is bad enough 🙄

Posted on 03/12/2021 08:27

Sure does.

replied on 03/12/2021 08:41

Posted on 02/12/2021 12:42 by EmilysDad

@ Nutsy ... filling a 110 litre diesel tank (my SUV)

😲 I bet filling that from empty brings a tear to your wallet! The 93 litre tank on mine is bad enough 🙄

Posted on 03/12/2021 08:41

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