Toyota RAV4 PHEV towing impressions

flatcoat replied on 24/04/2022 19:09

Posted on 24/04/2022 19:09

We finally towed with the our new car today albeit only about 15 miles home from storage. Nevertheless it gave some useful early feedback. First impression is the car is quiet and has plenty of grunt and romped up the hills without breaking a sweat. The key issue is an unsettled ride and achieving the 70kg noseweight limit. I need to play with tyre pressures however any suggestions (other than the obvious) how to get the noseweight down on a Swift 580 layout (rear bathroom, transverse island bed) most welcome, I already travel with minimum ‘stuff’ in the locker. 

eribaMotters replied on 24/04/2022 19:27

Posted on 24/04/2022 19:27

You mention an unsettled ride. The only time in towing a caravan since 2001 that I have ever experienced an unsettled tow was due to low tyre pressure. This was even when in my early towing years I had a very low nose weight.

Where is your water heater. If in front of the axle then you could tow with the water system primed so it would add some weight to the nose.

 

Colin

eribaMotters replied on 24/04/2022 21:36

Posted on 24/04/2022 21:36

Your initial post was not clear, "The key issue is an unsettled ride and achieving the 70kg noseweight limit" to me reads you cannot achieve, ie get up to the 70kg.

 

Colin

EmilysDad replied on 24/04/2022 22:45

Posted on 24/04/2022 20:51 by flatcoat

Why do I want to ADD weight when I am trying to get down to 70kg, not up to 70! And I always drain the water to help maximise useable payload. 

Posted on 24/04/2022 22:45

... when I am trying to get down to 70kg

It's been a while since I was 70kg 🙄 😉

EmilysDad replied on 24/04/2022 22:48

Posted on 24/04/2022 19:27 by eribaMotters

You mention an unsettled ride. The only time in towing a caravan since 2001 that I have ever experienced an unsettled tow was due to low tyre pressure. This was even when in my early towing years I had a very low nose weight.

Where is your water heater. If in front of the axle then you could tow with the water system primed so it would add some weight to the nose.

 

Colin

Posted on 24/04/2022 22:48

 ... was due to low tyre pressure.

car or caravan?

eribaMotters replied on 24/04/2022 22:52

Posted on 24/04/2022 22:52

Caravan. Tyres set at book pressure advised by Hymer. They later admitted these were incorrect. Little consolation when you've been on the receiving end of a wobble.

 

Colin

flatcoat replied on 25/04/2022 07:58

Posted on 24/04/2022 22:45 by EmilysDad

... when I am trying to get down to 70kg

It's been a while since I was 70kg 🙄 😉

Posted on 25/04/2022 07:58

Me too, thankfully! (For me below 70kg is an indicator all is not well). 

I am referring to the ride in the car, the caravan seemed to tow ok albeit we were not in holiday load mode. I have taken a few more items out of the front locker but only to the extent of 2-3 kg weight - however every little helps as they say! 

flatcoat replied on 30/04/2022 17:05

Posted on 30/04/2022 17:05

Having towed about 60 miles on Thursday I now have a better indication of how it feels. First off the power is superb, at least as good as any diesel I have had including my previous car, a 300bhp Volvo D6. Very easy to creep over the speed limit on the motorway and excellent acceleration. Stability when passing HGV’s or being passed is also very good with hardly any noticeable impact on the outfit. Economy is showing 27mpg in non EV mode towing and just over 50 when solo. Not bad for a 2tonne petrol SUV!

The 2 challenges still to resolve are nose weight and car ride comfort. It is jiggly and gives the impression of being over-firm. Whether it is possible to fit alternative shocks or springs or even after market self levelling has yet to be explored. I inflated rear tyres to their maximum albeit the payload in the car (including allowance for nose weight from the van) was probably around 300kg out of a payload limit of 470. I may reduce the tyre pressures slightly for the return to somewhere between normal and max. 
With noseweight I am really struggling. I got it down to 80kg and gave up. I do not want to simply put everything in the back of the van and end up with a tail happy outfit. The front locker is almost empty and very little in front under seat or overhead lockers. However the fridge and microwave are forward of the axle so stuck with those. I am not putting everything in the car to simply transfer it into the van on arrival. If it needs that to resolve the problem then either the car or caravan have to be changed. 

EmilysDad replied on 30/04/2022 19:28

Posted on 30/04/2022 19:28

@ Flatcoat .... If it needs that to resolve the problem then either the car or caravan have to be changed. 

That sounds like it could be expensive 😯

winni1974 replied on 01/05/2022 08:27

Posted on 30/04/2022 17:05 by flatcoat

Having towed about 60 miles on Thursday I now have a better indication of how it feels. First off the power is superb, at least as good as any diesel I have had including my previous car, a 300bhp Volvo D6. Very easy to creep over the speed limit on the motorway and excellent acceleration. Stability when passing HGV’s or being passed is also very good with hardly any noticeable impact on the outfit. Economy is showing 27mpg in non EV mode towing and just over 50 when solo. Not bad for a 2tonne petrol SUV!

The 2 challenges still to resolve are nose weight and car ride comfort. It is jiggly and gives the impression of being over-firm. Whether it is possible to fit alternative shocks or springs or even after market self levelling has yet to be explored. I inflated rear tyres to their maximum albeit the payload in the car (including allowance for nose weight from the van) was probably around 300kg out of a payload limit of 470. I may reduce the tyre pressures slightly for the return to somewhere between normal and max. 
With noseweight I am really struggling. I got it down to 80kg and gave up. I do not want to simply put everything in the back of the van and end up with a tail happy outfit. The front locker is almost empty and very little in front under seat or overhead lockers. However the fridge and microwave are forward of the axle so stuck with those. I am not putting everything in the car to simply transfer it into the van on arrival. If it needs that to resolve the problem then either the car or caravan have to be changed. 

Posted on 01/05/2022 08:27

Wow I hadn’t noticed this very low nose weight of 70kg when i was looking at the rav 4 I don’t think i have ever seen one that low, guess that’s due to the batteries in the rear.

Why this wasn’t addressed by Toyota at design stage is beyond me they have had a huge towing customer base for many years so you would think they would have designed this in with maybe a optional rear self levelling suspension for the towing customers to opt for.

hope you get this sorted at a low cost 

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