Crowded out

No, TW - I hadn’t missed it. But that was a week ago. All I was asking was what was the Club’s policy on this issue. I am coming round to the idea that perhaps there isn’t one!

Its a cash industry controlled by 1930 act. It will only get worse and the regulatory bodies whether councils or Nat Parks have not got the resources or the desire to get involved.

The 1960 act allows for the setting up of 5 van sites.  Perhaps there may be a reluctance to delve into this too deeply.  If CL owners allow more than 5 van's at a CL, and the practice becomes widespread and there were complaints, could this cause the government to repeal the act and no longer allow CL's.  If representation was made to increase the limit of 5, might this have the same result.  With this in mind, is it better to leave well alone and allow the CL network to continue to run 'below the radar'?   Alternatively, might it be wise for CL owners who want to increase capacity to apply for (planning) permission from the Local Authority?  With many Local Authorities looking for land on which to build houses, would the inevitable happen, in places were access is suitable.

David

Hi Richardandros

Very sorry for the delay in replying, 

A Certificate to operate a Certificated Location (CL) enables a land owner to have 5 pitches on their land.   A land owner is not able to use multiple 5 pitch exemptions ie: they cannot have a CL with the Club and with another exempted organisation such as a Certificated Site (CS) with the Camping and Caravanning Club or have more than one CL with us.

You may see two CLs in close proximity on our network which are historical.  In recent years, any new applications for CLs close to each other are measured against a set of criteria based on land ownership, separation and separate management of the sites.  Each case is carefully reviewed on an individual basis but if there is member demand and our criteria can be met, then you may see CLs near each other.

If a CL owner wishes to have more than 5 pitches on their land, they must apply for planning permission and a site licence through their Local Authority.  Any additional camping, caravanning, pods on the land must be completely separate from a CL site with a separate access and service facilities.

I hope this has answered your question.

Thanks

Maddie

No disrespect to you Maddie you don't make the rules but this statement is contradictory, on the one hand it specifically states that two exemptions are not allowed on the same land and the following paragraph says they are allowed under certain circumstances.

I suspect Maddie is just the messenger in this.  

I’m guessing that the two sites I’ve stayed at in Norfolk belonging to the same family must be under the historical auspices of the club

Happily supported CL owners that have provided 2 CLs   Always well occupied and never more than 5 units.

May more land owners that are prepared to invest for CAMC members benefit, do so. Its not like they are making a killing financially but maintaining the ethos of CLs.

Not really interested in questioning compliance, or dobbing them in for doing something others benefit from, for little if any gain on the land owners part.

More please.

Surely the "ethos of CL's". as you put it is not to have more than four other caravans/motorhomes in the immediate vicinity.

A CL is a five van Site allowed under the 1960 act of parliament,  Not a 10 pitch site getting round the need for planning permision,and if as you say for little or no return that is down to the Landowner to look at their charges

Have been on CLs where there is storage facilities, caravan/motorhome sales/service business, caravan site, holiday park in the immediate vicinity. IV defined as across the road, next field, in the yard adjacent to the CL field, behind the barn that the CL has as a border, owners caravan/motorhome on his driveway, within sight, in a pub garden, in a winery/vineyard. Also in the middle of nowhere with no other person, building to be seen.

Not detracted from the ethos of the CL, nor impinged on the enjoyment and use of the CL.

Not been on one with more than 5 units in total on the CL. Must have been extremely lucky by all accounts.

Have you been unfortunate to have been on an over occupied CL? Or any CL, with other caravans/motorhomes in the immediate vicinity?

I know of a couple of lovely CLs where the owners offer storage and wheel out the caravan for customers, return them to storage after their visit. One even services your caravan/motorhome whilst you are out for the day. Very strange concept providing services to users of CLs above and beyond a bucket and chuck it offering. It'll never catch on  There will be showers, loos, EHU, hardstandings, security gates, kitchen/dining facilities, produce for sale next. Doubtless someone will dob them in as its obviously not in the roolz 

Its a long way from when the exemption was dreamed up, and long may it continue to develop and provide opportunities for members to enjoy this beautiful land.