WiFi waste of money?

NevChap replied on 27/04/2018 10:51

Posted on 27/04/2018 10:51

OK tin hat firmly in place. Here goes. I know that members have asked repeatedly about upgrading or installing WiFi on club sites and I read that large sums of our money are used to try to give decent coverage across as many sites as possible. However, are we not just throwing good money away with the pace of technology outstripping our efforts to catch up. When I go on a club site I no longer rely on the club WiFi but use my iPhone (other phones are available) to access the Internet and even piggy back a laptop or tablet, increasingly via 4g and soon to be 5g. This method is usually superior to the WiFi available on site. Now I know that at the moment not everyone has that facility but increasingly more and more people are.  In which case why keep trying to provide WiFi on a catch up basis costing a great deal of money. For what it's worth I would want to provide a decent WiFi signal close to reception that we could access maybe from a suitable 'shed' so that people could check emails and surf the 'net. This could be provided much more cheaply than a system which tries to cover the complete site: after all there has to be a decent connection for the site office to be able to run smoothly.

OK we may 'want' to sit in our caravan or motorhome and access the Internet but is it really cost effective for the club to spend huge sums providing this when better systems can be employed by individuals?

Just a thought, I'll now crawl into the bunker!

Cornersteady replied on 15/07/2019 19:01

Posted on 15/07/2019 18:18 by Phishing

"I merely said that the club does not offer 'free' wifi at present and if you need that 'free' wifi, if it is so very very important to your stay then you will have to go elsewhere."

Excellent business model? Club don't have that so go elsewhere, which generally I do. What happens when the now under 55s are the majority active membership. Good for the club? 

"Good then why do they not have the occupancy rates that the club has?"

Because historically they have a large customer base and not enough provision. Also the age/user figures I gave in my reply may give you a clue. BUT...They do, many of the best commercials are harder to book than club sites, even though the require deposit. What are the club occupancy figures, do they make them available to the membership?

"Really? then again why does the club have so many full sites? Why do people on here complain so much about not getting pitches?"

Again, supply over demand. I use both and trust me there are some very good commercials in the same locations as club sites for less cost. People complain about not getting pitches because of the booking system which in my opinion is preposterous but favoured by the majority of the membership so I accept this is the way.

"I did not say they were/were not mutually exclusive", no but you clearly implied it with your statement "rather than excellent sites with very good clean facilities.." WiFi and toilet facilities are not associated so why perpetuate the myth that non club sites are not as clean. 

Posted on 15/07/2019 19:01

No I did not imply, note the rather.

It is interesting that when other non club organisations review any site, the phrase, up to caravan club standard is often cited, saw sush a phrase only recently, so maybe they believe the myth too?

Actually I don't know about many other sites, and never perpetrated any such myth, you are being disingenuous and all I know is that club sites are always clean and spotless, and they do have that reputation, read some reviews.  

But if there are other sites as good, you would expect them to be in demand, but for whatever reason the simple fact is they are not. More people want to come to club sites, even with the poor (as defined by you) booking and wifi. It has been that way for years, since I joined in 1999 and has continued so. You can develop spurious counter arguments that you think explains the club's popularity but you cannot deny the popularity of the club. 

moulesy replied on 15/07/2019 19:04

Posted on 15/07/2019 18:16 by

Yes in Kuna, whether our pound buys as many is another issue.

Posted on 15/07/2019 19:04

But I bet the wifi is not "the most desirable attribute" there is it, David? wink

JVB66 replied on 15/07/2019 19:21

Posted on 15/07/2019 18:16 by

Yes in Kuna, whether our pound buys as many is another issue.

Posted on 15/07/2019 19:21

What part of the UK is the Kuna used?surprised

Tinwheeler replied on 15/07/2019 19:25

Posted on 15/07/2019 19:25

"…you clearly implied it with your statement "rather than excellent sites with very good clean facilities.." WiFi and toilet facilities are not associated so why perpetuate the myth that non club sites are not as clean."

I saw no implication, Phish, nor did I see any perpetuation of a previously unheard of myth. I think you’re reading far too much into the words.

replied on 15/07/2019 20:22

Posted on 15/07/2019 19:01 by Cornersteady

No I did not imply, note the rather.

It is interesting that when other non club organisations review any site, the phrase, up to caravan club standard is often cited, saw sush a phrase only recently, so maybe they believe the myth too?

Actually I don't know about many other sites, and never perpetrated any such myth, you are being disingenuous and all I know is that club sites are always clean and spotless, and they do have that reputation, read some reviews.  

But if there are other sites as good, you would expect them to be in demand, but for whatever reason the simple fact is they are not. More people want to come to club sites, even with the poor (as defined by you) booking and wifi. It has been that way for years, since I joined in 1999 and has continued so. You can develop spurious counter arguments that you think explains the club's popularity but you cannot deny the popularity of the club. 

Posted on 15/07/2019 20:22

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replied on 15/07/2019 20:23

Posted on 15/07/2019 19:21 by JVB66

What part of the UK is the Kuna used?surprised

Posted on 15/07/2019 20:23

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Phishing replied on 16/07/2019 21:47

Posted on 15/07/2019 19:01 by Cornersteady

No I did not imply, note the rather.

It is interesting that when other non club organisations review any site, the phrase, up to caravan club standard is often cited, saw sush a phrase only recently, so maybe they believe the myth too?

Actually I don't know about many other sites, and never perpetrated any such myth, you are being disingenuous and all I know is that club sites are always clean and spotless, and they do have that reputation, read some reviews.  

But if there are other sites as good, you would expect them to be in demand, but for whatever reason the simple fact is they are not. More people want to come to club sites, even with the poor (as defined by you) booking and wifi. It has been that way for years, since I joined in 1999 and has continued so. You can develop spurious counter arguments that you think explains the club's popularity but you cannot deny the popularity of the club. 

Posted on 16/07/2019 21:47

I do not deny the popularity of the club, I am a member and use some of the excellent services they offer. 

I did not use spurious counter arguments, there are many commercials and CLs that offer better for less cost than the club sites. Why you state the commercials are not as popular is totally unfounded, as I previously asked - what are the club occupancy levels?

The only reason the club sites are "popular" is that the membership demand out strips the number of prime sites available. This is not a sign of popularity or quality but an indication of the success the club has at retaining the membership and offering a product that offers value.

Having good WiFi with sufficient bandwidth is a total necessity to many people. Teenagers fall ill and fail to function normally if they don't have WiFi, may people have work commitments when on site, people like to plan, walking, cycling etc. with downloads to things the stick on their arms to track them and show the world were they have been. When these people become the majority of the club membership (5 years?) then what?

 

 

Cornersteady replied on 16/07/2019 22:26

Posted on 16/07/2019 22:26

as I previously asked - what are the club occupancy levels?

I think we once showed 75% occupancy rate across the network at peak times in a previous discussion based on LA, some sites running not only at 100% most of the time but at over 100%, 110% + I recall (yes that is correct - strange isn't it further details on request but it come from a warden).

The only reason the club sites are "popular" is that the membership demand out strips the number of prime sites available. This is not a sign of popularity or quality but an indication of the success the club has at retaining the membership and offering a product that offers value

Right smile

I think your last paragraph is perhaps tongue in cheek.

 

Watersideranger replied on 17/07/2019 17:10

Posted on 17/07/2019 17:10

Prompted by the advert in the recent C&MC magazine I purchased a portable WiFi unit, not from the club but from Currys where they had an offer. Proposing to convert it to PAYG after first month. Works splendidly at home, connects more items than i've got, not tried it on site but have high hopes.

MJCBJC replied on 26/12/2019 13:12

Posted on 26/12/2019 13:12

I have paid for CC WiFi for the last 2 years. The biggest problem which is self evident at Clumber Park is that the WiFi coverage is OK but the speed available to the sites location is woefully slow.

We have a mobile EE router on board and mostly we get a signal so don't need the CC for telly viewing. On sites like Clumber where the phone signal is all but non-existent a good WiFi service (include speed here) is very important. I pay extra for CC WiFi but find it patchy at best service wise.

Why not only have WiFi provided on site where phone data signal is difficult and then do it properly by using a dish to pull in data at a fast and useable speed for distribution hi a the site WiFi aerials? Using a copper phone wire many miles long seems to be a real issue on most remote sites. A radio delivered connection at the site for redistribution males good sense I think. I do not think charging anything to non users is fair at all. In the same way - I object to not getting a cheaper rate for not using the showers, pot washing or children's playpark.

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