Mr Bates vs the Post Office

DavidKlyne replied on 04/01/2024 22:14

Posted on 04/01/2024 22:14

Has anyone else been watching this brilliant series on ITV, the final episode was tonight. Its obviously a dramatisation of real events with Toby Jones as the lead character but also with a stellar cast of other actors. We like to think that we have a fair and just justice system in this country but most would change their view of that having watched what these Postmasters went through and those that have survived are still going through.

David

Takethedogalong replied on 05/01/2024 18:28

Posted on 05/01/2024 16:07 by DavidKlyne

Colin

Maybe working in/for Waitrose was a saving grace despite the anguish it must have caused as one imagines the Post Office would be less likely to pursue a large company like Waitrose who would have their in house legal team? Having said that it must have been a very unpleasant experience nonetheless.

Moulesy

The documentary gives a bit more detail but mainly puts real faces to names used in the drama. I don't know about anyone else but I got the impression the Post Office boss didn't realise the extent of the problem initially or didn't understand it and when it did dawn the Post Office were in so deep they couldn't see a way out of it. It depends which portrayal of her is the real one, the drama one or the Select Committee one? What I find rather fascinating is that Paula Vennells is also a lady of the cloth and therefore one would have thought she would have a greater insight into right and wrong? Having her CBE removed to me is only of value if she decides herself to give it up.

David

Posted on 05/01/2024 18:28

Sadly DK, every organisation, be it national/local government, big corporate bodies, religious based organisations, Royalty, Police Forces, etc…… has its bad pennies, those who do cross the boundaries of what is morally and financially corrupt. Some seem to think that their status gives them protection, some seem to think that they are (misguidingly) protecting an “institution”. But all they are doing is letting down all the hard working honest souls, trying their best to do right. And destroying the reputation of once valued British based institutions.

I don’t think she she hand back her CBE. I think a public shaming would be a good start, and then a thorough legal investigation to establish who was  at fault and let justice take its toll. Goes for a lot of other bad pennies still walking around and raking in millions. An “oh, I am so sorry” has become a meaningless gesture.

nelliethehooker replied on 05/01/2024 21:31

Posted on 05/01/2024 15:04 by mickysf

EB, I’m appalled by how the injustice and humiliation was deliberately handed out in order to preserve and protect those in control of developments. I feel for all who suffered and those still suffering today. I noticed this petition has really taken off in the last few days, maybe all those culpable of the injustice will be finally dealt with and true justice prevails.

Petition here

Posted on 05/01/2024 21:31

Done, micky, and have forwarded the link to others to. I thought that there was a similar petition on the Change.org web site , but can't find it at the moment.

mickysf replied on 06/01/2024 00:03

Posted on 06/01/2024 00:03

Just watched the ‘Real Story’ on ITVX. This documentary tells the same facts but in even greater detail with much of the diabolical truth told directly by those very folk affected and involved in this travesty of justice. What I don’t understand is that having unequivocally won the case how they became responsible for paying the legal fees. Also where did the money these SPMs payed from their own pockets to balance those so called computer generated shortfalls go and whose pockets did it end up in? These people, and the possible thousands of others who have been wronged directly and indirectly, need compensation now. Those complicit in this very sordid affair need bringing to justice and made to pay for their continuous lack of compassion and honesty throughout the years of pain they have deliberately and knowingly caused. It cannot and must not happen again!

 

mickysf replied on 06/01/2024 10:07

Posted on 06/01/2024 10:07

I’d like to think that we all are making a difference. The sudden jump in signatures reached on that petition mentioned up thread is staggering and now comes  that investigation Tinny mentions! 

Updates
10 hours ago- 600,000 signatures reached


1 day ago-300,000 signatures reached


4 days ago-5,000 signatures reached

Did it really take the ITV series to really bring things to the fore to get things moving? Would it have remained under the carpet for most of us without it? 

Takethedogalong replied on 06/01/2024 12:09

Posted on 06/01/2024 10:07 by mickysf

I’d like to think that we all are making a difference. The sudden jump in signatures reached on that petition mentioned up thread is staggering and now comes  that investigation Tinny mentions! 

Updates
10 hours ago- 600,000 signatures reached


1 day ago-300,000 signatures reached


4 days ago-5,000 signatures reached

Did it really take the ITV series to really bring things to the fore to get things moving? Would it have remained under the carpet for most of us without it? 

Posted on 06/01/2024 12:09

The petition on 38 Degrees has actually been around for quite a long time, possibly 3 years? So it’s an unequivocal “yes” that the TV drama brought to light to a much greater percentage of people what had actually been going on. I think you possibly had to have someone, or know someone who was affected, or read/ watch the quality press/ news channels to get a decent idea of what had been going on. Same with a lot of these docu-dramas, for many they bring to the fore total travesties of justice that are out there and not being dealt with fairly and urgently. Hillsborough was another instance. 

DavidKlyne replied on 06/01/2024 12:12

Posted on 06/01/2024 00:03 by mickysf

Just watched the ‘Real Story’ on ITVX. This documentary tells the same facts but in even greater detail with much of the diabolical truth told directly by those very folk affected and involved in this travesty of justice. What I don’t understand is that having unequivocally won the case how they became responsible for paying the legal fees. Also where did the money these SPMs payed from their own pockets to balance those so called computer generated shortfalls go and whose pockets did it end up in? These people, and the possible thousands of others who have been wronged directly and indirectly, need compensation now. Those complicit in this very sordid affair need bringing to justice and made to pay for their continuous lack of compassion and honesty throughout the years of pain they have deliberately and knowingly caused. It cannot and must not happen again!

 

Posted on 06/01/2024 12:12

It was explained during the course of the Drama that suing the Post Office would be a very expensive business and they would have to get people who were willing to invest the money but they would take a a big cut. Quite how it reached over 40 million pounds I have no idea. The justice process is gradually working, albeit too late for some. I think they mentioned that about 100 people had received payments of £300,000 although even that probably doesn't really cover the loss of many. Although this is the cause of the moment there have been other famous cases where feet have been dragged. The Blood Scandal and Hillsborough spring to mind. Many, many years ago when I was a very junior manager my boss gave me the advice when dealing with complaints, especially if justified " When you have to Bow, Bow Low" 

David

mickysf replied on 06/01/2024 12:31

Posted on 06/01/2024 12:12 by DavidKlyne

It was explained during the course of the Drama that suing the Post Office would be a very expensive business and they would have to get people who were willing to invest the money but they would take a a big cut. Quite how it reached over 40 million pounds I have no idea. The justice process is gradually working, albeit too late for some. I think they mentioned that about 100 people had received payments of £300,000 although even that probably doesn't really cover the loss of many. Although this is the cause of the moment there have been other famous cases where feet have been dragged. The Blood Scandal and Hillsborough spring to mind. Many, many years ago when I was a very junior manager my boss gave me the advice when dealing with complaints, especially if justified " When you have to Bow, Bow Low" 

David

Posted on 06/01/2024 12:31

It certainly did explain the situation, a legal system which is geared to the wealthy, the privileged and connected. If they have the money and hold sway with the influence, they can determine the direction, it not the result, of the process. As these episodes have shown, the system does not favour the little person, the simple or us ‘commoners’. It should favour no one! Maybe the worm is turning!

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