E-Scooters: I've seen it all now

JohnM20 replied on 10/12/2021 07:57

JohnM20

Posted on 10/12/2021 07:57

Whilst walking down the busy main corridor at the Royal Derby Hospital yesterday a guy in, I would say, his early twenties, (I'm 99% certain he wasn't staff), came out of the doors of one of the side clinics pushing an E-scooter. Once into the main corridor he promptly jumped on his scooter and proceeded to ride it, weaving through the people walking along the corridor. The corridor is not particularly wide and people are walking in both directions. Any one of them could have been hit by this idiot.

He had obviously ridden his scooter illegally to get to the hospital and then taken it in with him. Where was the hospital security? No where to be seen unfortunately.

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SteveL replied on 19/12/2021 10:22

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Motorhomer from Nottinghamshire

Posted on 19/12/2021 08:10 by

It is also why the French insist on angles morts stickers on trucks to remind cyclists of the problem and their vulnerability. Legally blaming one person for the stupidity of another makes no sense to me.

Posted on 19/12/2021 10:22

+1 Particularly at this time of year when the sun is low and behind, no amount of mirrors or cameras is going to show a cyclist trying to pass on the near side, there is just to much glare. I expect David remembers the mirrors placed on the way to the shaft side at many pits, with a sign above saying this man is responsible for your safety. Cyclist do need to take responsibility for their actions and going up the side of an HGV is just plain stupid.

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JVB66 replied on 19/12/2021 10:42

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Campervanner from Hertfordshire

Posted on 18/12/2021 21:13 by dave the rave

If cycle pilots decide to under take a vehicle that is signalling a left turn then they deserve to get hit!If cycle pilots decide to ride 2 abreast in the middle of a carriageway they are surely causing an obstruction on the Queens highway and should be prosecuted.This is yet another set of "rules" that have not been thought about correctly.

Posted on 19/12/2021 10:42

Where we live many of the most heavily used roads into and out of the centre of the town, have wide cycle/pedestrian paths ,that it seems are with the amount of cyclists that use the road instead are not for them?,

I have had quite a few conversations? In that I think a cyclist not using a cycle way when it is available, should be charged with obstructing the highway

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Tinwheeler replied on 19/12/2021 10:43

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Posted on 19/12/2021 10:00 by Cornersteady

I think saying who is to blame legally or otherwise is not really the point in my view. The sad fact is that pedestrians and cyclists will usually come off worse and who is to blame is no consolation at all for either party.

an average of 2 pedal cyclists died and 83 were seriously injured (adjusted) per week in reported road casualties

a majority of pedal cycle fatalities (59%) do not occur at or within 20m of a junction compared to 32% of all seriously injured (adjusted) casualties

almost half (46%) of pedal cycle fatalities in 2 vehicle accidents involved a car

56% of pedal cycle fatalities occurred on rural roads compared to 29% of traffic

83% of pedal cycle killed or seriously injured (KSI) casualties were male

I believe that there are just as 'many' poor drivers as there are 'poor' cyclists, it is not one or the other.

The most common contributory factor allocated to pedal cyclists in fatal or serious accidents (FSA) with another vehicle was ‘Driver or rider failed to look properly’. It was also the most common factor allocated to the other vehicles involved

In my view the new rules/laws in the code are there, or will be there, to ensure that there is greater separation and enhanced safety for all. If that means that drivers have to wait patiently to overtake and not cut cyclists off then I'm afraid that is what they will have to do. I certainly take a lot of care around cyclists knowing first hand who could happen by either party not paying enough attention. Following them, and as TDA says, knowing these rules hopefully will ensure those terrible statistics go down

Posted on 19/12/2021 10:43

Good factual post, Corners.

The whole point of the change in HC rules is surely to protect life and limb. How can anyone with a conscience oppose that?

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Posted on 19/12/2021 10:42 by JVB66

Where we live many of the most heavily used roads into and out of the centre of the town, have wide cycle/pedestrian paths ,that it seems are with the amount of cyclists that use the road instead are not for them?,

I have had quite a few conversations? In that I think a cyclist not using a cycle way when it is available, should be charged with obstructing the highway

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Takethedogalong replied on 19/12/2021 11:02

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Posted on 18/12/2021 21:35 by Wherenext

The Netherlands used to have awful accident/death statistics of cyclists killed and injured in road accidents in the years before the 1980s when they became more enlightened and started to introduce their fantastic bike lanes and change of attitude culture that they currently enjoy so it can be done but only if the governing body attempts to do it by bringing everyone on board and providing the finance.

Nowadays they have one of the safest environments to cycle in and I believe that if a motorist is involved in an accident with a cyclist then the motorist is assumed to be the guilty party unless proven otherwise. I accept this last sentence may be hearsay but it was told to me by more than 1 Dutchman. I blame them if I'm wrong!!

Posted on 19/12/2021 11:02

That is indeed how things are in The Netherlands. Our road safety laws and legislation at times are a travesty in comparison. Each group of road users, from pedestrian right through to HGV drivers will consist mainly of sensible, reasonable people but sadly with a few bad elements in each category. It makes sense to protect the most vulnerable first, as that’s where the serious damage to life and limb will have the most impact. Having utilised the roads as a pedestrian, a horse rider, a cyclist and a vehicle driver, I know which made me feel the most vulnerable.

OH was out on his bike last week locally. Horse rider in front of him, without warning a group of cyclist swarmed past him and not only did they not swing out for the horse, some idiots actually went down the horses inside😡 Of course it jumped about, poor thing didn’t know what was happening. Luckily rider was ok. OH only has a rear view camera at moment, but had he had a front view, it would have gone to the Police. Some riders are now using cameras, like cyclists. Equine death statistics around us are bad. Not always the fault of the vehicle user, and not deliberate, more inattentive driving and a complete absence of common sense around horses.

JVB66 replied on 19/12/2021 11:03

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Campervanner from Hertfordshire

Posted on 18/12/2021 21:35 by Wherenext

The Netherlands used to have awful accident/death statistics of cyclists killed and injured in road accidents in the years before the 1980s when they became more enlightened and started to introduce their fantastic bike lanes and change of attitude culture that they currently enjoy so it can be done but only if the governing body attempts to do it by bringing everyone on board and providing the finance.

Nowadays they have one of the safest environments to cycle in and I believe that if a motorist is involved in an accident with a cyclist then the motorist is assumed to be the guilty party unless proven otherwise. I accept this last sentence may be hearsay but it was told to me by more than 1 Dutchman. I blame them if I'm wrong!!

Posted on 19/12/2021 11:03

Is it not the case that because of the very large cycling. Population the Government have invested heavily in cycle safety with their roads infrastructure as well?

Takethedogalong replied on 19/12/2021 11:14

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Posted on 19/12/2021 11:14

There are some very stupid cyclists out there, without doubt. The cycling forums confirm this, and it’s sadly often an entrenched belligerent mindset (as you get with many a forum😉) that doesn’t help things move forwards. However, car users outnumber cyclists hugely, so the chance of encountering an idiot is statistically higher.

I can guarantee that every ride out on my bike I will run the gauntlet of at least half a dozen such car drivers. OH has been knocked off his bike through no fault of his own three times, me a mere twice. Trust me, if feels real when you are bleeding and wondering which body parts aren’t working as they should.

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Posted on 19/12/2021 10:00 by Cornersteady

I think saying who is to blame legally or otherwise is not really the point in my view. The sad fact is that pedestrians and cyclists will usually come off worse and who is to blame is no consolation at all for either party.

an average of 2 pedal cyclists died and 83 were seriously injured (adjusted) per week in reported road casualties

a majority of pedal cycle fatalities (59%) do not occur at or within 20m of a junction compared to 32% of all seriously injured (adjusted) casualties

almost half (46%) of pedal cycle fatalities in 2 vehicle accidents involved a car

56% of pedal cycle fatalities occurred on rural roads compared to 29% of traffic

83% of pedal cycle killed or seriously injured (KSI) casualties were male

I believe that there are just as 'many' poor drivers as there are 'poor' cyclists, it is not one or the other.

The most common contributory factor allocated to pedal cyclists in fatal or serious accidents (FSA) with another vehicle was ‘Driver or rider failed to look properly’. It was also the most common factor allocated to the other vehicles involved

In my view the new rules/laws in the code are there, or will be there, to ensure that there is greater separation and enhanced safety for all. If that means that drivers have to wait patiently to overtake and not cut cyclists off then I'm afraid that is what they will have to do. I certainly take a lot of care around cyclists knowing first hand who could happen by either party not paying enough attention. Following them, and as TDA says, knowing these rules hopefully will ensure those terrible statistics go down

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vbfg replied on 19/12/2021 11:39

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Posted on 19/12/2021 10:22 by SteveL

+1 Particularly at this time of year when the sun is low and behind, no amount of mirrors or cameras is going to show a cyclist trying to pass on the near side, there is just to much glare. I expect David remembers the mirrors placed on the way to the shaft side at many pits, with a sign above saying this man is responsible for your safety. Cyclist do need to take responsibility for their actions and going up the side of an HGV is just plain stupid.

Posted on 19/12/2021 11:39

I agree that cyclists need to take responsibility for their actions, however, as an occasional cyclist, I can verify that there are SOME drivers who will deliberately make things difficult for cyclists as they refuse to make any room at traffic lights or junctions, even though they have overtaken the cyclist when approaching so are fully aware of their presence. However, that being said, many roads in the UK are simply not safe for cyclists as they may be too narrow or the traffic, far too heavy.