White Tailed Sea Eagles, IOW

nelliethehooker replied on 14/03/2021 20:01

Posted on 14/03/2021 20:01

Don't know if any of you bidding enthusiasts follow Roy Dennis Wildlife Foundation but here is a report from it about the Sea Eagles released on the IOW in 2020, and also of the journeys of other recorded Sea Eagles. A most interesting read.

https://www.roydennis.org/2021/03/10/spring-explorations/?fbclid=IwAR0S0NcBshBIuTpaJBVg84xDu--w9CkoOKMIfO8JGC1Xp50Yg4tgkDORsWE

 

brue replied on 06/03/2022 12:53

Posted on 06/03/2022 10:56 by mickysf

Clearly not read the document then. Such birds, along with kites and ospreys are happily living in populated and urbanised countries around the world. Must admit that Norfolk, Lincolnshire, East Yorkshire, Cumbria and Northumberland sounded better introduction site to me. But guess what factors scuppered their consideration! 

Posted on 06/03/2022 12:53

They were introduced to the IOW because it was felt that there would be a good supply of fish which wouldn't affect the local balance of supplies for the birds or people. But since these birds fly long distances and the IOW is close to such a big connurbation it isn't ideal (if anywhere is?!) However, these are wild birds and not all wild birds survive their environments for so many reasons I think it's reasonable to expect fatalities and Avian Flu has added to the mix recently.

Incidenatlly domestic chickens near us are still netted to prevent AF. So it's still a widespread problem for all bird types.

nelliethehooker replied on 06/03/2022 20:02

Posted on 06/03/2022 10:50 by Fisherman

Because we are an overpopulated,urbanised country.

Posted on 06/03/2022 20:02

That's a load of rubbish. There are large urban areas however there are huge areas of land that have very low population densities, Northumberland, much of Scotland, and dare I say it Central Wales, and much of it is unsuitable for use as arable land.

mickysf replied on 06/03/2022 20:02

Posted on 06/03/2022 12:53 by brue

They were introduced to the IOW because it was felt that there would be a good supply of fish which wouldn't affect the local balance of supplies for the birds or people. But since these birds fly long distances and the IOW is close to such a big connurbation it isn't ideal (if anywhere is?!) However, these are wild birds and not all wild birds survive their environments for so many reasons I think it's reasonable to expect fatalities and Avian Flu has added to the mix recently.

Incidenatlly domestic chickens near us are still netted to prevent AF. So it's still a widespread problem for all bird types.

Posted on 06/03/2022 20:02

All true Brue, avian flu is a possibility but I’m sure you will agree it’s worth trying to correct the damage caused by human intervention if possible though and give nature a helping hand. There have been notable successful reintroductions in similar settings else where in Europe and the findings of the case are yet to be published. I’d hope it isn’t down to so called ‘country folk’ not wanting them in ‘their’ backyard but the track record isn’t good with several proven incidents every year of deliberate poisoning, shooting and bludgeoning of raptors across the UK. 

brue replied on 06/03/2022 20:48

Posted on 06/03/2022 20:48

 I tend to be circumspect about these things Mickey, words like "bludgeoning" are emotive and don't represent the majority interest of caring for wildlife. If there is a problem I hope this will be investigated properly rather than surmised on here. smile

Fisherman replied on 06/03/2022 20:57

Posted on 06/03/2022 20:57

Cant reason with some people, who have this anti country folk attitute and blame others for their vocabulary when they use themselves very emotive words. I rest my case.

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 06/03/2022 23:16

Posted on 06/03/2022 20:02 by nelliethehooker

That's a load of rubbish. There are large urban areas however there are huge areas of land that have very low population densities, Northumberland, much of Scotland, and dare I say it Central Wales, and much of it is unsuitable for use as arable land.

Posted on 06/03/2022 23:16

Spot on NTH, here are Govt facts rather than fake news👍🏻-

mickysf replied on 07/03/2022 09:11

Posted on 06/03/2022 20:48 by brue

 I tend to be circumspect about these things Mickey, words like "bludgeoning" are emotive and don't represent the majority interest of caring for wildlife. If there is a problem I hope this will be investigated properly rather than surmised on here. smile

Posted on 07/03/2022 09:11

I try to be circumspect too, Brue and I’m careful to repeatedly say in my posts that the folk involved in these atrocities are not representative all involved in game sports The ones I refer to have been found guilty and video evidence summited to trial showing a game keeper hitting a deliberately and illegally trapped raptor repeatedly over the head with a blunt implement lead to prosecution. Sorry if the word bludgeoning is unhelpful but that is was it is in my opinion. What saddens me is similar behaviours are regularly reported every year and this behaviour appears not to be reducing. 

Fisherman replied on 07/03/2022 09:26

Posted on 07/03/2022 09:26

Whichever way you cut the cake, the UK and world populations have increased dramatically over say the last 200 years. True wild places have diminished both through repopulation and recreational use. Times have changed, climate has changed, land use changed (I agree not necessary for the betterr in every case) and will continue to do so. Trying to go back to some utopia is nothing but an ego trip for those of us better off. Just like the rich can indulge in organic food but the poor just eat anything to survive, Just look at today, we see shortages now of fuel,wheat etc and instead of planting trees we will need to grow more cereals and yes perhaps increase ferlilizer and chemical usage.Thats reality. How long will it be before government come up with more intensive crop growings to feed us and the refugees coming from Eastern Europe. Just watch the "grant" schemes change from environmental to food production

mickysf replied on 07/03/2022 09:37

Posted on 07/03/2022 09:26 by Fisherman

Whichever way you cut the cake, the UK and world populations have increased dramatically over say the last 200 years. True wild places have diminished both through repopulation and recreational use. Times have changed, climate has changed, land use changed (I agree not necessary for the betterr in every case) and will continue to do so. Trying to go back to some utopia is nothing but an ego trip for those of us better off. Just like the rich can indulge in organic food but the poor just eat anything to survive, Just look at today, we see shortages now of fuel,wheat etc and instead of planting trees we will need to grow more cereals and yes perhaps increase ferlilizer and chemical usage.Thats reality. How long will it be before government come up with more intensive crop growings to feed us and the refugees coming from Eastern Europe. Just watch the "grant" schemes change from environmental to food production

Posted on 07/03/2022 09:37

I really don’t think anyone, certainly not me, is trying to go back to a ‘utopia’ but moreover attempting to find at least a little but significant space for us to coexist with nature and right a few of ‘our’ wrongs. That’s all!

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