Bristol Clean Air Zone

Not about clean air zone ,except the latest rules about letting vehicles idle,and the fines that can be issued, , while at the ccep just now there was a motor caravan on the service point and the owner ?was being "spoken to"  by a lady about leaving the engine running while filling his water tank,and although he said he knew about the engine idle law, was quite adamant that it did not apply other than on the public highway, her leaving comment was" its nice to know your take on doing your bit for our future generations" he turned the engine off when the lady had gone

I'm blowed if I'd waste my expensive fuel leaving the engine running.

Not about clean air zone ,except the latest rules about letting vehicles idle,and the fines that can be issued,

They could make a killing if they enforced it on the M25 at certain times of the day.😂

Agree with comments about diesels.  I have changed to a 2017 diesel Euro6 model.  It has ad blue technology and is cleaner than many petrol cars on the roads.  Whilst I agree with the need to clean up our planet, I do despair that the “Greens” and some government bodies vent their spite on diesels without any apparent knowledge of strides taken in improvements of late model vehicles.

What they must realise is that reverting the problem will take many years. Had our forebears had to foresight to start environmentally procedures at the start of the Industrial Revolution, then we would probably have been in a much better situation than we are now.  But they didn’t, and reversal, even if it is achieved, will take longer than when the IR began.

As for Extinction Rebellion and the challenges “If you love nature....”, it has to be remembered that, from Nature’s point of view, along with all animal life, we humans are a dispensable species.  Nature could redress the balance by wiping us out!

So, when anyone declares the need to preserve the planet for the benefit of our future children, remember that we ourselves are the worst polluters and the greatest threat to Nature.  Be very careful what you wish for!

Hi everyone,

I've spoken to my colleagues in the sites team who have advised that the Club are aware that Bristol City Council’s ambitious plan to improve air quality to meet targets for nitrogen dioxide (NO2) legal limits have now been submitted to Government following its approval by Cabinet on 5 November.

The Outline Business Case (OBC) recommends Bristol becomes the first city in the UK to take the bold step of introducing a diesel ban for private cars in the city centre and harbourside area which would operate daily from 7am to 3pm.

We further understand that the Outline Business Case will now be considered by the Government’s Joint Air Quality Unit (JAQU). The council will continue to work closely with JAQU on preparing the Full Business Case for submission next year (2020.)

As part of the Full Business Case, the council have committed to engage with business, organisations and residents affected to help manage how the Clean Air and Diesel Ban areas can be implemented, including details of mitigations measures and exemptions. The deadline for the implementation of the plans is not until March 2021.

Further details can be found at https://www.cleanairforbristol.org/ however at this stage, the Club are unable to provide any further details until we are consulted with in their outline business case as we are sadly not privy to any information that is not already in the public domain and it would be wrong of the Club to enter into any speculation on this matter.

It is probably more likely to hasten the council take over of the site.

peedee

Or the Club giving it up because of the access problems. I don't quite understand how the council has worked out the time of the restricted period. Pollution doesn't stop at 3.00pm, to be effective I would have thought it should finish at 6.00pm?

David

I suspect the target is primarily commuter traffic, rather than locals. Maybe they reckon if you can’t get in during the morning you won’t still be there at 3pm?

How would they differentiate on that?  Many locals would also be commuters.  What about HGV's delivering to local stores?  These vehicles produce much greater volumes of exhaust gases than the average motor vehicle.  Why are they (apparently) ignoring differences between Euro6 diesel engines and older vehicles?  These engines are cleaner than many petrol-engined vehicles.    I would hope that the majority of us agree with the need to clean up the environment, including air quality, but knee-jerk reactions such as those of the mayor of Bristol only serve to cause confrontation without really contributing to long term improvements - and it will be long term because the problem has gone unrecognised for a hundred or more years.  Just as industrial factories and homes burning coal for heating have gradually become less polluting, so must the publics change of behaviour be gradual and smooth in order to avoid log-jamming the economy.

Bristol has a huge inward commute every morning. A lot of it is headed into the central diesel ban zone, so commuters in private diesel cars are obviously targeted. Locals living in the central zone are more likely and able to use public transport. Commercial Euro 6 is not banned, so by implementation in 2021 only diesel vehicles 6 years + old will be affected. If you want to do business in Bristol post 2021 you’ll need to upgrade your vintage diesel van/lorry.