Newbie with twin axle levelling issues

Oakest replied on 09/08/2019 18:24

Posted on 09/08/2019 18:24

Hi 

As the title says I'm a newbie and currently on our first trip. Had some challenges getting the van level - not right to left but front to back. Having finally got onto a gravel pitch it turned out that the jockey wheel would not go high enough to level the van. Looking around the answer appears to be shove a load of wood under the jockey wheel. However is there an easy way to do this - could you put the steadies down, lift the jockey wheel, put the wood underneath and then raise the van using the jockey wheel? Slightly nervous as the dealership stressed that the steadies were for steadying not lifting, but wondered if it could support the weight for a couple of minutes?

Also when using the motor mover to get into the space allocation I had left the jockey wheel high - it dug a great channel through the gravel and looks under a bit of strain if I'm honest. I have added a picture - am I just being a sensitive newbie? Presumably the trick is keep the jockey wheel low when moving and then raise? Anyway of telling if I have damaged/weakened it? presumably they are fairly sturdy things?

Finally (and thanks for continuing to read) having now experienced the challenges with levelling I'm thinking about a Lock and Load for the right to left challenges I'll know doubt encounter at some point. Is everyone in agreement - easy to use and effective?

Thanks for considering

HappyDoggie replied on 11/08/2019 18:41

Posted on 11/08/2019 18:41

Lining up the wheel bang on for the Alco lock is absolutely vital. My second time out I was not fully lined up and still fitted it and cross threaded the receiver. I had to order a 20mm rap of the correct thread size and tap it clean. 

Now I fit the lock without the bolt into the wheel and use the mark one eyeball to check it is absolutely spot on.

replied on 11/08/2019 18:56

Posted on 11/08/2019 18:56

A question.

I have a single axle caravan, alko lock, insurance company fine with that, me too.

So why do they insist that ta's have two fitted?

Why fit two anyway? If it does get stolen, how would they factually know you didn't?

 

Seems alot of trouble to me to bother with for very little gain.

richardandros replied on 12/08/2019 05:26

Posted on 11/08/2019 18:56 by

A question.

I have a single axle caravan, alko lock, insurance company fine with that, me too.

So why do they insist that ta's have two fitted?

Why fit two anyway? If it does get stolen, how would they factually know you didn't?

 

Seems alot of trouble to me to bother with for very little gain.

Posted on 12/08/2019 05:26

There is no point in just fitting just one wheel lock to a TA van because all the low-life will do is deflate the tyre with the wheel lock fitted and tow it away. Whilst that may attract some attention, it wouldn't if it allowed the van to be put on a low-loader.

My CAMC insurance allows for one Alko lock to be fitted - when on site - as long as another approved type of lock is used on a wheel on the other axle.

I suppose, if recovered after being stolen - they would be looking for evidence that two wheel locks had been removed, and if it wasn't there, could refuse to pay out. I agree, to some extent that it might, in some circumstances, be difficult to prove - a bit like qualifying for the discount for ATC. You have to state that it was working at the time of any incident and whilst you could give assurance that it was working when the van was hitched up - whose to know what could happen whilst you were on your journey?

I suppose, as with any contract, there has to be an element of trust and reasonableness on both sides.

 

 

EmilysDad replied on 12/08/2019 07:49

Posted on 11/08/2019 18:41 by HappyDoggie

Lining up the wheel bang on for the Alco lock is absolutely vital. My second time out I was not fully lined up and still fitted it and cross threaded the receiver. I had to order a 20mm rap of the correct thread size and tap it clean. 

Now I fit the lock without the bolt into the wheel and use the mark one eyeball to check it is absolutely spot on.

Posted on 12/08/2019 07:49

Cross threading a M20 bolt takes some doing .... obviously forced it to do so. surprised

replied on 12/08/2019 08:05

Posted on 12/08/2019 08:05

I only do the bolt up hand tight - If it won't tighten by hand without the wrench it isn't aligned. 

EmilysDad replied on 12/08/2019 08:06

Posted on 12/08/2019 08:05 by

I only do the bolt up hand tight - If it won't tighten by hand without the wrench it isn't aligned. 

Posted on 12/08/2019 08:06

Exactly.

Navigateur replied on 12/08/2019 11:06

Posted on 12/08/2019 11:06

I recall a tool a friend had made during his apprenticeship with Rolls Royce. It was a disc of metal about 4" diameter and 3/8th" thick with a knurled edge, and a hexagonal hole in the centre.   We called it a nut spinner, but they dont seem to appear on e-Bay etc under that title.

Just the job for reducing the fiddling turning one of these bolts.

EmilysDad replied on 12/08/2019 12:03

Posted on 12/08/2019 11:06 by Navigateur

I recall a tool a friend had made during his apprenticeship with Rolls Royce. It was a disc of metal about 4" diameter and 3/8th" thick with a knurled edge, and a hexagonal hole in the centre.   We called it a nut spinner, but they dont seem to appear on e-Bay etc under that title.

Just the job for reducing the fiddling turning one of these bolts.

Posted on 12/08/2019 12:03

presumably you'd need a set of them with varying sized hexagonal holes for varying sized nuts/bolts 🤔

I'd guess that these would be a step up from the original idea 👍

Navigateur replied on 12/08/2019 12:13

Posted on 12/08/2019 12:13

My friend worked on aero engine overhauls, so the apprentice training made the tools they needed rather than a full set of anything. He had some very simple tools that made technical jobs easier - the simplest was an old three-cornered file ground down smooth on each face to make a gasket scraper. The one he gave me has been well used for decades now.

EmilysDad replied on 12/08/2019 13:01

Posted on 12/08/2019 12:13 by Navigateur

My friend worked on aero engine overhauls, so the apprentice training made the tools they needed rather than a full set of anything. He had some very simple tools that made technical jobs easier - the simplest was an old three-cornered file ground down smooth on each face to make a gasket scraper. The one he gave me has been well used for decades now.

Posted on 12/08/2019 13:01

I have some home made tools like that too .... 👍

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