Water questions

Outdoorrambo replied on 06/06/2022 04:52

Posted on 06/06/2022 04:52

New to Motorhome so excuse my ignorance (purchased an Auto-trail Mohawk 2012 model).

Re the 100 litre water tank, assuming we don't use too much water then how often do you think this should be drained down and refilled if MH is not used often so it is still safe to drink?

Toilet flush, can't seem to find if this model has a separate water flush fill system that i can add the flush pink chemical that came with the MH to...  or is it a case of diluting this and just spraying the bowl?

Toilet cassette, once the blue chemical is added then how much water do i add into the cassette, i can only find pointers to 'add the required amount of water' whatever that is?

Thanks in advance

Pete.

peedee replied on 06/06/2022 06:59

Posted on 06/06/2022 06:59

Water tank, if you are not using the motorhome regularly I would drain it down.

Toilet flush, if there is no a fill point just inside the toilet door then the flush water will be piped from your fresh water tank and yes if you want to be fussy then you will have to spray the bowl.

Toilet chemical, it is not necessary to add water, but if you want to a cap full should suffice.

peedee

DavidKlyne replied on 06/06/2022 08:10

Posted on 06/06/2022 08:10

We don't bother to drain the water tank between trips, certainly in the months of the year when you are unlikely to get a severe frost. We don't drink the water either from the tank preferring to use bottled water and as we are never from a tap we fill the kettle when  required. Obviously a personal choice as I can't point you to any information that says you shouldn't drink the water direct from the tank.

David

Graydjames replied on 06/06/2022 10:47

Posted on 06/06/2022 10:47

No need at all to excuse yourself; we were all beginners once. 

I can't really answer your first question. I don't drink the water from my fresh water tank and I never have with any van I have owned, even on those I have purchased new. But I can remember previous threads where some people have said they do drink from their fresh water tank and find it perfectly OK. Whether or not this makes a difference to how often you drain it I could not say but, intuitively, my feeling would be you would be advised to drain it more often. Whether or not you drink the water from the fresh tank it is a good idea to give the whole system a good clean out with a cleansing product (just Google cleaning fresh water tank for examples) now and then. You'd need to make sure the system was thoroughly flushed through before you drank from it though. In my view it saves a lot of hassle if, like me, you keep a 5 litre plastic container, or similar, filled up at fresh water taps, for drinking water. I used to use the water from my tank for my kettle, for tea and coffee, but I do not even do that now, preferring to use the water from my container or direct from the taps on site, if, for example, on a serviced pitch. I do not buy bottled water. I view this as a waste of money, but probably because my sense of taste is  not sufficiently discerning to tell the difference. 

I drain my water system usually once a year only when heavy frosts might arise. As I use my van a lot in the winter, I sometimes have to do it more than once to dodge potential frosts whilst it is not being used. This last winter I could have got away with not doing it at all. I will clean the tanks, as described above, at least once a year; I’m never convinced about how much this achieves. 

In almost all modern motorhomes, the toilet flush draws the water from the fresh water tank. So, you can’t use the pink stuff. I do keep a bottle of the pink stuff in spray form, but I use other products as well to keep things fresh. 

I add only a small amount of water to my toilet tank after putting in the toilet chemical,  really just to help it swill around a bit and nothing more - not more than the chemical itself probably. The flushing will dilute the chemical. 

replied on 06/06/2022 11:04

Posted on 06/06/2022 04:52 by Outdoorrambo

New to Motorhome so excuse my ignorance (purchased an Auto-trail Mohawk 2012 model).

Re the 100 litre water tank, assuming we don't use too much water then how often do you think this should be drained down and refilled if MH is not used often so it is still safe to drink?

Toilet flush, can't seem to find if this model has a separate water flush fill system that i can add the flush pink chemical that came with the MH to...  or is it a case of diluting this and just spraying the bowl?

Toilet cassette, once the blue chemical is added then how much water do i add into the cassette, i can only find pointers to 'add the required amount of water' whatever that is?

Thanks in advance

Pete.

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Graydjames replied on 06/06/2022 14:35

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I never drain down.  Flush through on occasions yes, but never drain.   We do drink from the tank and I preserve the water and system using Katadyn Micropur Classic MC 1000F if the van is not going to be used for more than a few weeks.  This keeps the water system and water fresh and safe for human consumption for up to six months.   

Posted on 06/06/2022 14:35

That is an interesting option. I don't think I even knew a product like that was available. I don't think I would change my routine, personally, but it is good to know of the option. 

What I would like to ask though, and I am thinking about informing the OP who is new to this, are your circumstances or procedures such that you never have to worry about frost damage in the winter? I have been caught out in the past with a broken tap when I failed to drain down and left the taps closed over a period of particularly hard frosts. That's why I always drain down, leave all the taps open, etc., if my van is unused at times of severe frosts.

replied on 06/06/2022 16:10

Posted on 06/06/2022 14:35 by Graydjames

That is an interesting option. I don't think I even knew a product like that was available. I don't think I would change my routine, personally, but it is good to know of the option. 

What I would like to ask though, and I am thinking about informing the OP who is new to this, are your circumstances or procedures such that you never have to worry about frost damage in the winter? I have been caught out in the past with a broken tap when I failed to drain down and left the taps closed over a period of particularly hard frosts. That's why I always drain down, leave all the taps open, etc., if my van is unused at times of severe frosts.

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Graydjames replied on 06/06/2022 17:56

Posted on 06/06/2022 16:10 by

We have a German van with Alde heating.  Unlike most UK vans all systems are between the double floors.  Nothing is below the lower floor.  The tanks, two fresh water and one grey waste, have Alde pipework integrated around them.  If I leave the van when it's cold I set the Alde system to come on when the temperature drops to 5 deg C or less.  That prevents any risk of freezing.  There is an auto frost valve but it has never activated.  The van is designed to be safe and operational to below minus 20 deg C.  Prior to this we had an Autotrail.  Now that did get drained 😉. Even the swimming pool that formed inside each time it rained 😁.

Posted on 06/06/2022 17:56

OK thanks, that answers it. I have Alde heating too, but not the double floor arrangement. My tanks have heaters too. But, my van is in storage so I can't have the heat on, or use the tank heaters, whilst absent. I presumed you must have some way of ensuring no freezing up. To the OP, I think you will need to drain at times of heavy frosts.     

Hja replied on 06/06/2022 21:08

Posted on 06/06/2022 21:08

We sterilise the fresh tank & pipes every year before we start using the van again in Spring.  We dont use the van in winter.  After the last probable use of the year, or if frost threatened, we drain down tanks, boiler (both taps) and leave all water taps open.

Once we are using the van again in Spring, we drain the fresh tank, but not the boiler, if we are not using the van for about 4 weeks, or if frost threatened.

We do drink from fresh tank.

Loo - just flush a couple of times once chemical is in.  Some chemical containers talk about adding a litre of fresh water - think that is excessive.

As for whether your loo has a separate tank - you should find a fill point near it if you have.  But if you are not filling a separate tank up, and it is still flushing, chances are it is using your fresh water tank.

Kasspa replied on 06/06/2022 21:58

Posted on 06/06/2022 21:58

I also use a separate (10 ltr) container for drinking/tea/coffee.

To ensure clean pipework I add 4 Aqua Midi Tabs a couple of times a year, the 1st on a fresh fill after winter.

Although I drain down manually my system auto 'dumps' if temperature drops below 6*C & yes it works as I found to my cost this year after putting in the sterilizing tablets.....

This does drain my my boiler, why wouldn't you? It's a much more expensive item to replace than a pipe or a tap.....

I also use the pink stuff in diluted form to spray/wipe the bowl & probably add up to a litre of water to the 'blue stuff' (I'm sure the instructions say 3!!!)

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