Has Covid-19 Put a Nail in the Coffin of Centres?

AlanPort replied on 12/06/2020 13:36

Posted on 12/06/2020 13:36

I’ve been a Centre member for over 30 years and have always enjoyed the social aspects and comradeship of rallying as have many other members.  However, over the years, the simple pleasures of joining with friends on a farm field, parkland or even school playing field seems to have waned.  The Caravan Club began as a rallying group and sites were gradually purchased to accommodate those who wished to travel solo or with one or two other outfits and gradually communal blocks were added.

It’s good to see that club sites are due to open during July as announced on the website and in the email to all members received this morning.  However, there is no mention on either regarding Centre rallies.  These were cancelled by directive from East Grinstead a couple of weeks before Club sites were closed and it seems the Club is slow in coming forward to allow Centres to start running rallies again.  As rallies do not generally use locations where communal facilities are provided and rallies use their own onboard facilities, I’m not sure why rallies can’t be trusted to socially distanced in an open field.

What are the views of other Centre members on this?

replied on 30/06/2020 13:46

Posted on 30/06/2020 13:46

P.S. Come to a rally and try it. 

It wouldn't fit our style of holidaying I suspect. We prefer to tour a route through various areas moving on every 5 nights for between 4 and 7 weeks. The only time we stay put is usually 15 nights from mid December and I would definitely want EHU then wink

Saving money is not high on my agenda at 'my time of life'. Although I ran a singles/social group for over 15 years it was not because I wanted a social life but to put something into society and give me a sense of worth and purpose. 

 

peedee replied on 30/06/2020 14:14

Posted on 30/06/2020 14:14

ET, The Scotish centres run a rally that might suit you. You join at one end and move every few days around Scotland.

TT why not limit numbers to 30, i.e.15 vans it would surely be within the rules then.

peedee

ValR replied on 30/06/2020 18:27

Posted on 30/06/2020 18:27

It seem a mixed message coming from the club, it is alright to pay to go on a club site (with probably more than 30 people) with Toilets and showers being used than from what we have been told by our centre it is against the law (So the club emailed him) to rally in a field keeping social distancing rules  and using your own facilities. Is this not a case of the club putting their money making before the members acting responsibly and rallying. maybe we will consider whether we will join next year

bill replied on 01/07/2020 08:23

Posted on 01/07/2020 08:23

I understand that the Club have revoked the exemption certificate for running rallies until the 1st August.  I appreciate that this includes all rallies run on private land but does it include rallies run on proper licenced caravan parks i.e. non CAMC sites.

AlanPort replied on 01/07/2020 09:17

Posted on 01/07/2020 08:23 by bill

I understand that the Club have revoked the exemption certificate for running rallies until the 1st August.  I appreciate that this includes all rallies run on private land but does it include rallies run on proper licenced caravan parks i.e. non CAMC sites.

Posted on 01/07/2020 09:17

I queried this yesterday on our Regional FB page following receipt of an update from my own Centre in which a copy of an email from EG was circulated.  The email didn’t mention rallies being held on commercial sites.  I Later received a reply from one of the Centre Secretaries stating that a letter had also been received; didn’t say when, saying that any rallies being arranged on commercial sites had to be agreed with the site owner as they didn’t come under the CAMC exemption certificate.

AlanPort replied on 01/07/2020 09:30

Posted on 30/06/2020 18:27 by ValR

It seem a mixed message coming from the club, it is alright to pay to go on a club site (with probably more than 30 people) with Toilets and showers being used than from what we have been told by our centre it is against the law (So the club emailed him) to rally in a field keeping social distancing rules  and using your own facilities. Is this not a case of the club putting their money making before the members acting responsibly and rallying. maybe we will consider whether we will join next year

Posted on 01/07/2020 09:30

I’m afraid you seem to be ‘hitting the nail on the head’.  I do feel that the CAMC treats Centre members as second class citizens.  We pay he same membership fee as anyone else, most of which goes to paying for club administration, building multi million pound toilet blocks on sites etc. but when it comes to being included, I’m not sure how we stand anymore.  We have enjoyed meeting up with many friends on rallies in the past and although I accept there are restrictions at present, I’d like to think we will be able to do that again in the future.  It is however essential that Centres are allowed to function as soon as possible in order to maintain the momentum.

replied on 01/07/2020 10:25

Posted on 30/06/2020 18:27 by ValR

It seem a mixed message coming from the club, it is alright to pay to go on a club site (with probably more than 30 people) with Toilets and showers being used than from what we have been told by our centre it is against the law (So the club emailed him) to rally in a field keeping social distancing rules  and using your own facilities. Is this not a case of the club putting their money making before the members acting responsibly and rallying. maybe we will consider whether we will join next year

Posted on 01/07/2020 10:25

I don't see a mixed message. One assumes licensed sites open as permitted and are operated by staff and owners. Very difficult for a club to effectively police how rallies are run and to be responsible for them in any way. 

colbern replied on 01/07/2020 16:23

Posted on 01/07/2020 09:30 by AlanPort

I’m afraid you seem to be ‘hitting the nail on the head’.  I do feel that the CAMC treats Centre members as second class citizens.  We pay he same membership fee as anyone else, most of which goes to paying for club administration, building multi million pound toilet blocks on sites etc. but when it comes to being included, I’m not sure how we stand anymore.  We have enjoyed meeting up with many friends on rallies in the past and although I accept there are restrictions at present, I’d like to think we will be able to do that again in the future.  It is however essential that Centres are allowed to function as soon as possible in order to maintain the momentum.

Posted on 01/07/2020 16:23

As I do not use the club sites other than to join a rally and then do not use the facilities preferring to use my own and now that the club site’s are to reopen with no limits on numbers where rally’s are not allowed to I assume that we will be refunded a portion of my club fee ( not likely as they have not extended the membership like the ccc ) It seems the club has forgotten its roots and all the smaller clubs who organise rally’s will benefit as I for one will seriously consider renewing my membership this year.

ValR replied on 01/07/2020 19:50

Posted on 01/07/2020 10:25 by

I don't see a mixed message. One assumes licensed sites open as permitted and are operated by staff and owners. Very difficult for a club to effectively police how rallies are run and to be responsible for them in any way. 

Posted on 01/07/2020 19:50

 As you have said you do not go on rallies if you did you wold know how well run and organised they are try one and you will see. We are not all fortunate enough to use club or commercial sites all the time. My point was if it is illegal for more than 30 people to gather in a field it must be the same for a club site.

replied on 01/07/2020 20:07

Posted on 01/07/2020 19:50 by ValR

 As you have said you do not go on rallies if you did you wold know how well run and organised they are try one and you will see. We are not all fortunate enough to use club or commercial sites all the time. My point was if it is illegal for more than 30 people to gather in a field it must be the same for a club site.

Posted on 01/07/2020 20:07

No I do not Rally Val and having previously run a singles club, organising events and social gatherings for some 15 years I know things can be well organised and also the responsibilities. It is not a criticism. 

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