Non EHU & enforced EHU

GarryP replied on 19/06/2017 15:46

Posted on 19/06/2017 15:46

The Sandringham National was EHU take it or leave it, I have spoken with several of my centre ralliers, and about 50% said they would have liked a choice, as most ralliers are geared up for off grid, many vans now come with solar panels, I for one would have preferred non EHU, certainly didn't use £ 5 worth of electric a day with only a 6 amp supply.

There were certainly not enough pitches this year, I heard several people complaining before and after the rally that they could not get a place, and walking around the site there appeared to be many unsused area, so I can only assume that the rally was setup around the available electric points and generators etc.

Could someone from the club confirm if all future nationals are going to be EHU only, and why this will be so, I personally consider this a bacwards step.

Boff replied on 10/07/2017 08:33

Posted on 10/07/2017 08:33

Sorry I am a bit thick and struggle with percentages.   I really struggle with them when there are no numbers attached.  A 12% increase of what?  Since the last time the National was held at Sandringham?  Or last year?   Maybe it would helpful to release the attendance figures for the last 5 years nationals and the last one at Sandringham so those of us that can use a calculator share this success.   I have been unable find actual attendance figures any where perhaps the events committees can tell us what the figures are? And what the capacity of the next National will be our is this a state secret?

A reuse / recycling rate of 100% that is remarkable.

I like others fail to see why demand for EHU means that non EHU pitches are effectively banned?  This is a bit like saying that Manchester United are the best supported football team in the country therefore we must ban all other teams.

Surveys.  It would be interesting to see what the questions are and the results.  Would the events team please post a link to the questions, answers and response rate.   After all if someone  asked me if I want ehu I am going to say yes.   If someone asks me if I want 6amp ehu and it is going to cost £6 per day then my answer will be different.   

All in all a standard Caravan Club response. 

JVB66 replied on 10/07/2017 19:54

Posted on 10/07/2017 19:54

I think the generators  that were on the national that are being talked about are the large industrial "silent" type that were being used to supply the 6amp EHU for the pitches,

PATMAU replied on 10/07/2017 20:13

Posted on 10/07/2017 20:13

Forgive my ignorance, but the only generators I am familiar with are diesel ones and we are now told how bad for us and the environment diesel is.  Or are there other fuelled types, with less or no environment impact at all?  Which are used at the National?  Just curious to know, as I wouldn't go to a National with EHU, if it was polluting the air around me.

DaveCyn replied on 10/07/2017 21:11

Posted on 10/07/2017 19:54 by JVB66

I think the generators  that were on the national that are being talked about are the large industrial "silent" type that were being used to supply the 6amp EHU for the pitches,

Posted on 10/07/2017 21:11

Having been pitched in reasonably close proximity to one of them I can assure you they are not that silent!

Boff replied on 10/07/2017 21:45

Posted on 10/07/2017 19:23 by Firedragon

Where do you get £6 a day from Boff ? 

Alison

Posted on 10/07/2017 21:45

Make up your own number Alison if it makes you happier,

But two thing are certain, firstly the supply of electricity isn't free and secondly there isn't any likelyhood of getting any sort of a straight reply from the club.  

PS I wonder if the survey had asked a question about the provision of Shower blocks and service pitches I wonder what the response would be

Boff replied on 11/07/2017 08:49

Posted on 11/07/2017 08:49

An Apology:

I may have given the impression that the cost of Ehu could be £6 per night.   I didn't know what the true cost a put that in as an illustration, that a cost should be included in any survey. 

I am now led to believe that the additional cost electricity for the National in 2011 was £30.  Therefore £7.50 per night over the 4 nights of the event.  Not the £6 I initially implied.  I apologise for any confusion I may of caused.

I leave it to others to decide if £7.50 for 6amp electricity represented good value for money in 2011 and what the equivalent cost was in 2017. 

JVB66 replied on 11/07/2017 08:54

Posted on 11/07/2017 08:49 by Boff

An Apology:

I may have given the impression that the cost of Ehu could be £6 per night.   I didn't know what the true cost a put that in as an illustration, that a cost should be included in any survey. 

I am now led to believe that the additional cost electricity for the National in 2011 was £30.  Therefore £7.50 per night over the 4 nights of the event.  Not the £6 I initially implied.  I apologise for any confusion I may of caused.

I leave it to others to decide if £7.50 for 6amp electricity represented good value for money in 2011 and what the equivalent cost was in 2017. 

Posted on 11/07/2017 08:54

Interesting post and a big question of where the info came from?,or is it just the difference between the cost of attending since 5yrs ago until his year?undecided

Boff replied on 11/07/2017 09:22

Posted on 11/07/2017 08:54 by JVB66

Interesting post and a big question of where the info came from?,or is it just the difference between the cost of attending since 5yrs ago until his year?undecided

Posted on 11/07/2017 09:22

No.  I believe that the price for non Ehu in 2011 was £75 and with Ehu £105 again in 2011.    

I assume that the club has official records of the prices.  So if I am wrong then they can correct me. Indeed they could publish a list of prices of the last period of time.  However in the post from the "Events committee" lots of percentages were quoted with no actual data to back them up.  

This years national has been proclaimed a great success but I have been unable to find anywhere how many outfits attended and how that relegated to previous years and previous National's at Sandringham and what the capacity will be for next years National. If these figures are available can some point me to them?  If they aren't available why not?

NickH replied on 11/07/2017 09:25

Posted on 11/07/2017 09:25

Boff,

I don't think your assumption on EHU costs from 2011 still stands.

i have attended the National every year since 2013, two years ago I booked a pitch with two adults and EHU and it cost me £121.00. This year the same pitch with two adults cost me £101.00

the way I look at it was the EHU was free on the basis that I paid £20 less.  I do appreciate that the EHU is paid for and is included in the fixed fee, but as I paid £20 less, I just look at it and say the EHU is free. I also consider the gas I use. A Calor Gas bottle costs me £25 for a refil, I don't use any gas at the National, I only use the EHU. Electric kettle, electric ring on the Caravan, the microwave, water heater, the fridge and so on. Used sensibly you don't trip the EHU.

i think it's personal choice, you either agree to pay the fixed fee and attend, and use the EHU or not,  or you decide that you don't like the offer and choose to go elsewhere. It the same as everything you do all your life. It your choice no one is forcing you to attend.

NickH

 

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