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Nothing at all but i asked why join if you don’t like the way an organisation is run. 

Well done Tommo, you were the first to offer a veiled questioning of my membership. I joined to benefit from some of the very good products and services offered by the club.

I have never said that, I do question the fact that the club is stuck in the 1960s with respect to understanding the requirements of their customers for certain parts of their service.

The assume that everyone will turn up and pay their fees as they have done for ever. The next generation will not do this and without understanding how the next generation operate they will struggle to compete with the current best in class options that are available to those in the hobby.

Sometimes these things aren’t apparent at the outset. Also, the advantages can outweigh the disadvantages. When I was at work, the buzz phrase was ‘continuous improvement’. Many were resistant, but companies/organisations that fail in this respect, sooner or later, will struggle.

I never said all members want it, I said it is needed by many in the club

sorry you did say that you posted using the royal we:

We need a HTML based 

Can I name major companies that failed due to having poor or no digital content, yes, many, many, of them. If you had any understanding of commerce you would know how poor that question is

Well please do name some perhaps? I can't see how asking for such companies makes that a poor question? 

Yes, printing is cheap, that is why virtually all commercial media publications are moving or have moved to a digital platform. You had better tell them they are wrong.

That just isn't true, most companies all have both paper and digital versions to suit and reach their customers. And really you're taking my quote out of context.

I could post many that have very good digital presence, why you want to believe that rural businesses are not using digital media to promote their products.

Then really why don't you name one? You appear very reticent to give an cast iron examples? And I never said they didn't, I just asked you to find one?

You then try to tell me that there is no difference in the offerings of the Club digital media and some of the examples I suggested. Do you have the internet or are you making this up?

I really couldn't see any major differences in the ASCI one (below) and others, just like the club's really, again why not educate me and show me rather than just say you could?

Continuous improvement is not only good, Freddy, it is a necessity👍🏻.

However, someone making sweeping statements about what should be done and what we need while decrying one of the things that is good about the club - the booking system - is becoming a repetitive dogma.

I know there is much that CAMC could do better but I don’t believe any one member should be attempting to speak for the rest of us without the mandate to do so. Personal opinions and questioning, yes, but not attempting to tell us and the club what should happen. The way of seeking change is via the AGM and the elected governing body.

Change is necessary, totally agree so why then do you question the viability of me questioning a document that has not fundamentally changed for decades and is no longer fit for purpose.? 

I am not attempting to speak for the rest of you, I am one of you, and my opinion is as valid as any other member.  I have not told you to do anything. 

I am not attempting to tell you and the club to do anything,  I am pointing out that the real world out there has changed. Print media has declined to a point where it is no longer significant in society. It is costly, polluting, out of date before its printed and there are better alternatives.

You choose not to accept my supposition, good luck. 

@ Corners ... Well please do name some perhaps? I can't see how asking for such companies makes that a poor question? 

Kodak is a very good example ... maybe not quite in the same way as you suggest, but they declined to jump onto the digital photography bandwagon as they thought it was a passing phase. By the time they realised it wasn't, the bandwagon had passed. Kodak

We have been told that a new booking system is on the way, perhaps it might be better to wait for that before assuming the club is not prepared to change. 
As for the handbook, I put earlier I would welcome the option of a digital subscription at a reduced rate like the CCC. This would have the added advantage of allowing the club to gauge the handbooks popularity and perhaps eventually phase it out.

For me, at certain points paper is superior. 

When we are planning a tour we spread out the CMC paper map and pick out some of the sites we wish to use using a sticky label to highlight their location. A sheet of paper to hand to note them down. I find at that stage a paper map is best. If I want to note postcodes and location later a paper handbook is is best. Far quicker to pick the info from a book flicking through for 7 or 8 sites than navigate through web pages IMO. 

When we are away the maps stay home. The hand book goes on passenger side door. When we are approaching a site I will just ask OH for final directions. and she finds it far easier to reach into the door, open book at marked page and read than to locate it on a webpage  using an electronic device in a moving car.

 Here is what the C&CC reported for 2019:

"The Club’s digital Membership proposition, now in its fifth year, has continued to prove popular, with just over 43 per cent of the total membership now opting to receive their membership in this format. We have seen a growth in members wishing to opt for digital membership due to both advancing technology and for the desire to be more environmentally conscious"

It is difficult to understand why the C&MC don't make the same offering.

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