Brett Caravans scam website warning

Sandy And Co replied on 30/07/2018 08:16

Posted on 30/07/2018 08:16

My partner and I think a caravan would be awesome for holidays with our daughter, but had not realized there are scammers out there in caravan sales.

We decided an Eriba would be great for us and looking around found this one at "Brett Caravans":

https://brett-caravans.com/product/eriba-troll-530-caravan-2-3b-8250/

After an email to and fro and few phone discussions, we decided to go for it. We did a quick company check and it appeared they'd been in business over 15 years so must be solid right? We didn't fancy the 5 hour drive each way and have seen similar vans in the flesh - they also offered a 50% deposit and the remainder on delivery which seemed good practice...

Well after sending a 50% deposit by bank transfer they no longer respond to emails or answer the phone and we've since found a facebook page showing that it's just a scam and none of the caravans exist.

We have of course contacted the bank and police but nothing much seems to be happening and it can take weeks apparently.

I figured posting here (we'd just joined the club in anticipation of our new van!) might help other people avoid this same scam!

We're still looking at getting a van but sure won't be buying one we've not seen and will stump up the extra to buy from a reputable dealer with google reviews and a facebook page.

Oh how stupid we feel! Please spread the word to stop others suffering the same fate!

 

 

DavidKlyne replied on 08/08/2018 12:02

Posted on 04/08/2018 11:52 by firefly2327

Even a regular caravanner was fooled by this. I'm a newbie and sent the information to a friend of mine who has been on the circuit for years. His reply was "I've only ever heard good reports".

So despite a little voice in my head saying be wary I proceeded, as this friend continued to urge me to do so. I don't blame him in any way, he was acting in good faith.

Life is full of lessons and this is financially the most expensive one I've made.

Posted on 08/08/2018 12:02

I hope you have also sent details of the result of problem to your friend, I would want to know why he seemed recommend them! Did he just look at the website?

Surely it is an object lesson that if you are going to invest so much money in something like a caravan you really do need to make an effort to view what you are buying.Perhaps different if you buy something on E-Bay where there are at least some measures of protection. If the supposed seller starts to prevaricate about you viewing, it should immediately start alarm bells ringing? 

David

scoutman replied on 08/08/2018 16:09

Posted on 08/08/2018 16:09

TV personality, Martin Roberts, writing in his column in a recent Practical Caravan magazine warns about this very same scam. Apparently they were offering a 2016 Sprite Major for about £4000 less than the average price for this model, for an upfront payment of 50%, van unseen. 

RowenaBCAMC replied on 23/08/2018 14:03

Posted on 23/08/2018 14:03

Hi everyone,

Club members may wish to note that the Brett Caravans website appears to be down at present. We can’t be sure that it won’t reappear (in the same or similar form), so we’ll be keeping watch for this, and would appreciate any updates from members who spot anything like this which raises concerns.

The Club raised concerns over Brett Caravans with Trading Standards (via Citizens Advice) and with the police ActionFraud service. We know that other individuals and organisations did so too, and hopefully these efforts are why the website seems to have disappeared.

For those who didn’t see the website while it was live, although it superficially appeared to portray a typical caravan and motorhome dealership, the stock listed was advertised at significantly below normal market prices. Our investigations showed that many if not all of the images and descriptions of the caravans and motorhomes advertised appeared on other dealer websites or private advertisements (at normal prices). The images of the dealership, its facilities and staff were copied from another well-established company, with company logos removed and names changed. It proved impossible for us to find a trading address (as opposed to registered office) for the business.

We have contacted the dealership from whom many of the ‘Brett’ images were taken and have confirmed that they had no involvement with Brett Caravans whatsoever. Understandably, they have asked us not to associate their name with this operation, however, and we would ask that Club members respect that wish too.

As general advice for anyone looking to buy a caravan or motorhome, always be cautious of deals which appear almost too good to be true. Be sceptical of any requests to pay a cash deposit to secure a vehicle you haven’t seen. If you must pay a deposit, use a credit card for at least some of the cost – that secures you ‘Section 75’ protection should you lose your money, meaning you can claim from the card company for the full amount paid (not just the amount put on the card) up to £30,000. Check the seller’s actual possession and legitimate ownership of the vehicle before making full payment. While everyone likes to get a good deal, never get carried away by the chance of an apparent bargain. There will always be the opportunity to buy something else should you miss out through being cautious.

Wildwood replied on 23/08/2018 16:56

Posted on 23/08/2018 16:56

I agree with what has been said about buying here. Anything that looks too good to be true probably is and certainly no dealer would sell at half the going rate.

From an expert opinion we used at work a deposit has to be a sum that the buyer can afford to lose. Essentially anything over 500 pounds is unreasonable.

63ellsbells replied on 24/08/2018 09:06

Posted on 30/07/2018 13:01 by Sandy And Co

Thanks for the messages of support. We're well aware now of our naivety - seems so obvious now but I guess we assumed a scam as bold as this would have been removed by police or google or would have come up in a google search when we searched for Brett Caravan (which we did) but found nothing - hopefully people might find this now at least... 

We felt totally gutted when we realized on Friday and contacted Action Fraud which is the police dept that deals with this - but not heard back from then yet - assume they are pretty busy!

We knew of course the price was low but assumed the condition would be poor and thought it might be a fun renovation project - know now that it was just too good to be true.

They seem to be vat registered - so will call companies house and the vat man later - maybe they can help close them down.

Just been chatting to https://www.automotiveleisure.co.uk/ about Eriba - they seem to have good google ratings and chatting to them they seem very professional - anyone had dealings with them?

Posted on 24/08/2018 09:06

Hi Sandy & Co,

Sorry to hear you’ve been stung like this.

Glad though that it’s not put you off caravanning or the idea of an Eriba.

As has been said, Automotive Leisure have a very good reputation, being the largest Eriba dealer in the U.K. - they’re also not that far from you in Surrey.

We’re on our 2nd Eriba having bought the first one from AL - huge stock, nice friendly helpful guys with no pressure to buy and all the time you need to look in them all to see what model and layout you prefer. We did exactly that when we decided to move up to a 540GT, but actually ended up popping over to Denmark to pick one up, saving us a shedload.

Eribas are fantastic little vans, holding their value incredibly well and very solid, unlike many U.K. vans - get a nice one and you won’t be disappointed.

There are also another couple of independent dealers worth a look -

Eriba Caravan Sales in Lancashire

https://www.eribacaravansales.co.uk

And Eriba Shop in Norfolk:

https://www.eriba-shop.co.uk/eriba-caravans-for-sale/

I’ve been to Eriba Shop to buy an awning and they have some very well presented vans that they’re happy for you poke around in.

We’re also in Surrey, and happy to offer any advice or answer any Eriba questions you may have.

good luck in your renewed search.

firefly2327 replied on 03/09/2018 19:19

Posted on 08/08/2018 10:51 by Sandy And Co

 Hey Firefly

I've got no chance of money back, so am just trying to get the site stopped.

Today contacted:

1. Companies House (they can do nothing)
2. Insolvency Service (gov agency who look into company fraud) they will send a form for me to fill out.
3. Action fraud again to hassle them to take action.

Going to call the NCA and Financial Ombudsmen later!

This is a very well done scam.

The website is hosted in Russia by MAROSNET Telecommunication Company, a front for scam websites - they're not going to do anything about the site for sure. If was UK the company might have dropped the hosting.

The name is also offshore:

Domain Name: BRETT-CARAVANS.COM
Registry Domain ID: 2275577610_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.PublicDomainRegistry.com
Registrar URL: http://www.publicdomainregistry.com
Updated Date: 2018-06-16T13:52:29Z
Creation Date: 2018-06-16T13:52:29Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2019-06-16T13:52:29Z
Registrar: PDR Ltd. d/b/a PublicDomainRegistry.com
Registrar IANA ID: 303
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse-contact@publicdomainregistry.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.2013775952
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Name Server: NS5.OFFSHORE-SERVERS.NET
Name Server: NS6.OFFSHORE-SERVERS.NET
DNSSEC: unsigned

 

So basically, nothing much can be done, by anyone and I doubt the club or anyone else will be able to get logos removed.

But I am exploring the darknet for help, vigilante style.

Posted on 03/09/2018 19:19

Good luck Sandy, I wish you all the best. I hope Karma comes for the person/s behind the scam, they deserve everything they get.

Sandy And Co replied on 03/09/2018 22:02

Posted on 08/08/2018 11:39 by Sandy And Co

BTW Firefly, I'm really sorry for your loss! :( doesn't feel nice being fleeced like this. They're scumbags and I hope they get what's coming to them!

Posted on 03/09/2018 22:02

We've heard nothing back from anyone! The bank is due to report back this week about the response from Santander - and if they don't give us money then I'll be taking it to the Ombudsman... nothing from Action Fraud at all - not a peep!

Have been out enjoying our new caravan though... not going to let these scumbags sour our fun!

 

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