Kerbweight

Lutz replied on 27/12/2020 21:04

Posted on 27/12/2020 21:04

In a since locked thread about outfit matching services reference was made to kerbweight being a variable. I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion regarding other statements made in the topic (I presume that the thread was locked due to the likelihood of it becoming a long drawn out matter) but I would just like to quote the definition of kerbweight and leave it at that. Perhaps things will be a bit clearer that it is not variable:

The Road Vehicles (Construction & Use) Regulations 1986 define kerbweight as follows:

the weight of a vehicle when it carries—
     (a) in the case of a motor vehicle,
          (i) no person; and
          (ii) a full supply of fuel in its tank, an adequate supply of other liquids incidental to its propulsion and no load other than the loose tools and equipment with which it is normally equipped;
     (b) in the case of a trailer, no person and is otherwise unladen.

EmilysDad replied on 02/03/2021 20:56

Posted on 02/03/2021 20:56

I've yet to notice the ATC on my twin axle caravan trigger .... I'm not saying it has never triggered at all, but I've yet to notice it. 🤷‍♂️

viatorem replied on 02/03/2021 21:47

Posted on 02/03/2021 20:56 by EmilysDad

I've yet to notice the ATC on my twin axle caravan trigger .... I'm not saying it has never triggered at all, but I've yet to notice it. 🤷‍♂️

Posted on 02/03/2021 21:47

At or Under 85% then ?😉

Lutz replied on 03/03/2021 07:17

Posted on 02/03/2021 20:56 by EmilysDad

I've yet to notice the ATC on my twin axle caravan trigger .... I'm not saying it has never triggered at all, but I've yet to notice it. 🤷‍♂️

Posted on 03/03/2021 07:17

Under normal conditions, ATC should never deploy. It is only intended to provide assistance in case of necessary sudden and unexpected evasive action. If it does more than that you weren't driving to suit the conditions. One should always be driving as though ATC weren't fitted, without having to rely on such a feature.

flatcoat replied on 03/03/2021 07:50

Posted on 03/03/2021 07:50

I had the ATC trigger towing a t/a through some French village chicanes a few years ago, the road geometry and layout seemed to create the effect of a snake. Otherwise only twice had it perform, both in horrendous cross winds, once caught by a completely out of the blue gust on the M62 on a very hot day in mid summer and the second time we were ‘overtaken’ by a gathering winter storm and had a very hairy, very slow drive from Berwick upto Edinburgh. 

viatorem replied on 03/03/2021 08:38

Posted on 03/03/2021 08:38

Some may not even notice ATC deploying. I guess it will deploy more frequently as the threshold of instability is approached from whatever cause, weight ratios, loading, speed/steering input or indeed external winds or road conditions. I have noticed uneven road surfaces causing deployment even at relatively low and certainly safe speeds. 

I think the caravan ATC systems are fairly crude compare to cars 

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flatcoat replied on 03/03/2021 10:08

Posted on 03/03/2021 10:08

AD, bit puzzled by your comment, which van do you have? I know of at least 2 people who had ATC retro-fitted to existing vans (with Alko chassis) they owned. 

Viatorem, agree re crudeness but its better than nothing and in my view such systems should be mandatory on new vans with perhaps an allowance of 2 years for owners to retrofit systems onto vans upto 10 years old (although i agree in the absence of caravan MOT’s am not sure how that could be enforced). And for the avoidance of doubt i am not advocating caravan MOT’s! 

JVB66 replied on 03/03/2021 10:18

Posted on 03/03/2021 10:18

I have had two c/vans with ATC fitted and know of a couple of times it has activated once on our previous van coming out of a left turn a bit fast into a gap in traffic, and on out current van when getting caught in the "wash" when overtaking loaded  car transporter

replied on 03/03/2021 10:24

Posted on 03/03/2021 10:08 by flatcoat

AD, bit puzzled by your comment, which van do you have? I know of at least 2 people who had ATC retro-fitted to existing vans (with Alko chassis) they owned. 

Viatorem, agree re crudeness but its better than nothing and in my view such systems should be mandatory on new vans with perhaps an allowance of 2 years for owners to retrofit systems onto vans upto 10 years old (although i agree in the absence of caravan MOT’s am not sure how that could be enforced). And for the avoidance of doubt i am not advocating caravan MOT’s! 

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