Diesel & petrol alternatives? Your thoughts please

KellyHenderson replied on 14/09/2017 14:26

Posted on 14/09/2017 14:26

Good Afternoon,

Hopefully you have now received your September Club Magazine and read the Ask Your Club article (see attached photo) regarding the future of caravanning post 2040.

Have you already changed your vehicle from diesel to petrol?

Is anyone already towing with a hybrid? Maybe a Tesla Model X?

Has the news affected your plans for your next towcar?

It will also be interesting to see how motorhomes evolve into hybrids and/or electric models, which alternative to diesel would you prefer to buy; Hybrid or electric?

 Are you concerned about so few alternatives to diesel at the moment? Would you choose petrol instead if they were more widely available? There is now a VW T6 camper with a petrol engine available. 

Has this news made you think about switching to a car and caravan? Equally would caravanners consider trading in their car and caravan to purchase a hybrid or electric motorhome?

From the questions above, we would love to have your feedback.

One thing is for sure, there will be some interesting times ahead.

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 28/07/2021 18:49

Posted on 28/07/2021 16:04 by peedee

Best not to "big up" then until proven then Rocky.

peedee

Posted on 28/07/2021 18:49

Pssst-it’s new technology. . .Not many know the full facts🤷🏻‍♂️. Forgive me for getting excited about the next step in saving our only home-Planet Earth. I’ve never had you down as someone who rails against technological advancement PD, Luddite never ever entered my mind with you☹️

cyberyacht replied on 29/07/2021 16:34

Posted on 29/07/2021 16:34

Surely it is energy density per KG that would be the issue. I would have thought it is not beyond the wit of man to design "current tech" batteries that have a structural support element to them to offset the weight penalty. Speaking as a retired 'pen-pusher' rather than an engineer.

ChocolateTrees replied on 30/07/2021 16:06

Posted on 29/06/2021 17:14 by EmilysDad

Posted on 30/07/2021 16:06

That article is click bait. It's true that many of the EVs that have come to market previously were not homologated for towing, mainly because they were smaller cars with lower range. But in the last year that has changed. Almost all new EVs that are coming out now are homologated for towing, with variying towing capability from 1000Kg (Tesla model 3) to 1500 Polestar 2, Volvo XC40, 1600, Kia EV6, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Skoda Enyak, 1800 Etron, C40 etc. 

The world is moving forward. 

 

JVB66 replied on 30/07/2021 16:28

Posted on 30/07/2021 16:06 by ChocolateTrees

That article is click bait. It's true that many of the EVs that have come to market previously were not homologated for towing, mainly because they were smaller cars with lower range. But in the last year that has changed. Almost all new EVs that are coming out now are homologated for towing, with variying towing capability from 1000Kg (Tesla model 3) to 1500 Polestar 2, Volvo XC40, 1600, Kia EV6, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Skoda Enyak, 1800 Etron, C40 etc. 

The world is moving forward. 

 

Posted on 30/07/2021 16:28

Have any of the manufacturers that you mention in your post given figures as to what towing mileages are to be achieved, it is no matter  what they can tow if at this time and it seems future ,  to get away for a weekend you spend as much time recharging the EV to get there as when towing with an ICE vehicle there was probably no need to refuel all weekend  undecided

ChocolateTrees replied on 30/07/2021 16:39

Posted on 30/06/2021 20:38 by redface

 When an EV can tow a caravan 200 miles, then - and only then, would I consider it.

Better still if it could tow my van for 300 miles without needing a fuel stop for three hours.  

Diesel refuelling only takes 10 -20 minutes.

Posted on 30/07/2021 16:39

I just did a 400 mile round trip with our Bailey Unicorn S3 Vigo max weight upgrade (MTPLM 1550Kg) towing with the Polestar 2 Launch edition. (78kWh, 300Kw). Started in South Northants and headed to Whitby (Great CL - Monks farm - with a view of the abbey). We planned the trip so that we would charge at our natural break points. Left at 8am from home, 1st stop for coffee and comfort was after about 1 hr 45 at Duckmanton (M1J29A). Stopped for about 25 - 30 mins. Long enough to find a cup of coffee, drink it and each a cheeky 2nd breakfast bacon roll. Then headed out again and stopped at Skelton Lakes in Leads at around noon. There we again stopped long enough for each of us to use the loo, buy some lunch and eat in the van. About 40 mins. At both stops we unhitched to charge and re-hitched to leave - added maybe 5 mins total to the stop. At both stops, we gained more charge than we needed to get to our next planned stop. I.e. we were not waiting for the car to charge, but getting on with resting and refuelling the humans while the car did its own thing. We arrived on site with about 30% charge remaining (60 - 80 miles solo, 30-35 towing). its a 10A CL, but we were able to plug the car in via the van, and charge an additional 15% to 20% each night.  At the end of the trip I calculated roughly how much electricity we had used charging the car, and paid the CL owner the extra cost along with the pitch fee. We retraced our steps on the way home stopping for about 30 mins and 35 mins respectively. 

On the whole trip we waited to charge the car for exactly 0 minutes. The extra hitch and un hitch took no more than 20 mins in the entire holiday. We spent 0 mins looking for or filling up at a fuel station. 400 miles of towing + about 200 miles of touring around while there cost the princely sum of about £50. The 400 miles of towing in my PHEV or the XC90 that I had before that would have cost about £140 in diesel. The local touring an additional £40 to £50. I saved on three trips to the fuel station, each being around 20 mins (as I would have had to go out of my way to find one). 

ChocolateTrees replied on 30/07/2021 16:41

Posted on 30/07/2021 16:28 by JVB66

Have any of the manufacturers that you mention in your post given figures as to what towing mileages are to be achieved, it is no matter  what they can tow if at this time and it seems future ,  to get away for a weekend you spend as much time recharging the EV to get there as when towing with an ICE vehicle there was probably no need to refuel all weekend  undecided

Posted on 30/07/2021 16:41

Have a look at my next post. I spent 0 time waiting to charge on a 400 mile trip. 

JVB66 replied on 30/07/2021 16:46

Posted on 30/07/2021 16:41 by ChocolateTrees

Have a look at my next post. I spent 0 time waiting to charge on a 400 mile trip. 

Posted on 30/07/2021 16:46

How many stops!!!how long was your journey surprised we live in as you can see by my avatar, and have with a 1300kg  caravan ,will have done with our eight year old sportage automatic Without trying to find at this time an EV charging point and have done according to  our mileometer 538miles which includes trips out at each of the 4sites so far on this tour and have put in two lots  of diesel not full tanks, and with minimal depreciation of both vehicles for the year, not leased as it seems many EVs are , I think I will stick with what we have for hopefully untill our touring days are over ,which I think will work out much cheaper than your outfitcool

ChocolateTrees replied on 30/07/2021 16:49

Posted on 30/07/2021 16:46 by JVB66

How many stops!!!how long was your journey surprised

Posted on 30/07/2021 16:49

2 each way.  I could have done it in 1 stop,  but I was ready to stop long before the car was. Taking my time on the journey is part of the holiday. I would have taken two stops towing 200 miles in an ICE. 

EmilysDad replied on 30/07/2021 17:04

Posted on 30/07/2021 16:49 by ChocolateTrees

2 each way.  I could have done it in 1 stop,  but I was ready to stop long before the car was. Taking my time on the journey is part of the holiday. I would have taken two stops towing 200 miles in an ICE. 

Posted on 30/07/2021 17:04

I want to get on with my 'holiday' ... not spend hours getting there. Maybe as & when I can hang up my tool box & stop working I might consider taking my time getting there whatever is powering my car but doubt I'll be stopping every 100 miles .... it'd take forever to get anywhere.

And I spend zero minutes enroute hitching or unhitching as I can pull alongside a pump while hitched up if necessary  😉

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