Diesel & petrol alternatives? Your thoughts please

KellyHenderson replied on 14/09/2017 14:26

Posted on 14/09/2017 14:26

Good Afternoon,

Hopefully you have now received your September Club Magazine and read the Ask Your Club article (see attached photo) regarding the future of caravanning post 2040.

Have you already changed your vehicle from diesel to petrol?

Is anyone already towing with a hybrid? Maybe a Tesla Model X?

Has the news affected your plans for your next towcar?

It will also be interesting to see how motorhomes evolve into hybrids and/or electric models, which alternative to diesel would you prefer to buy; Hybrid or electric?

 Are you concerned about so few alternatives to diesel at the moment? Would you choose petrol instead if they were more widely available? There is now a VW T6 camper with a petrol engine available. 

Has this news made you think about switching to a car and caravan? Equally would caravanners consider trading in their car and caravan to purchase a hybrid or electric motorhome?

From the questions above, we would love to have your feedback.

One thing is for sure, there will be some interesting times ahead.

ChocolateTrees replied on 31/08/2021 22:02

Posted on 31/08/2021 21:04 by davetommo

I think that you will find the electric infrastructure we have will not cope if we all have electric cars, the existing cable will just melt when we all want to charge cars at the same time like overnight. Therefore the roads will have to be dug up to lay new bigger cables to cope.Best of luck doing that in 8 years and 3 months. 

Posted on 31/08/2021 22:02

DT, that’s not the opinion of the national grid who seem to have studied the topic, and made it the number one myth busted on their own FAQ on EVs.

 

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero/5-myths-about-electric-vehicles-busted

 

 

EmilysDad replied on 31/08/2021 22:30

Posted on 31/08/2021 22:02 by ChocolateTrees

DT, that’s not the opinion of the national grid who seem to have studied the topic, and made it the number one myth busted on their own FAQ on EVs.

 

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero/5-myths-about-electric-vehicles-busted

 

 

Posted on 31/08/2021 22:30

 That's not quite what a mate of mine says .... he works with high voltage electrickery distribution .... 

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 31/08/2021 23:23

Posted on 31/08/2021 22:02 by ChocolateTrees

DT, that’s not the opinion of the national grid who seem to have studied the topic, and made it the number one myth busted on their own FAQ on EVs.

 

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero/5-myths-about-electric-vehicles-busted

 

 

Posted on 31/08/2021 23:23

I think these-‘Frank down the pub’ types are not thinking it thru at all. We have times now when everyone wants Lekky at the same time. . .Winter mornings, tea times, dinner times, popular TV programmes & events, Christmas. These are all high demand times, I’m convinced the companies that run the national grid are a lot smarter than Frank down the pub & naysayers👍🏻

ChocolateTrees replied on 01/09/2021 09:02

Posted on 31/08/2021 22:30 by EmilysDad

 That's not quite what a mate of mine says .... he works with high voltage electrickery distribution .... 

Posted on 01/09/2021 09:02

You will have to forgive me for accepting the public statement of fact published by the organisation whose function it is (and has been for years) to manage the long term capacity of a critical national infrastructure, over the musings of a person of unsubstantiated credibility who may not know the 1st thing about the topic. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

replied on 01/09/2021 09:05

Posted on 01/09/2021 09:02 by ChocolateTrees

You will have to forgive me for accepting the public statement of fact published by the organisation whose function it is (and has been for years) to manage the long term capacity of a critical national infrastructure, over the musings of a person of unsubstantiated credibility who may not know the 1st thing about the topic. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Posted on 01/09/2021 09:05

There is nothing like an unbiased opinion from a stakeholder .... ever

EmilysDad replied on 01/09/2021 09:16

Posted on 01/09/2021 09:02 by ChocolateTrees

You will have to forgive me for accepting the public statement of fact published by the organisation whose function it is (and has been for years) to manage the long term capacity of a critical national infrastructure, over the musings of a person of unsubstantiated credibility who may not know the 1st thing about the topic. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Posted on 01/09/2021 09:16

A rather condescending reply from you .... this is the musings of said person. Would you like copy of his indentures?

National grid have no problem delivering their end of the bargain as they have capacity to spare. Mainly due to diminished commercial demand and, in some areas, more energy efficient domestic usage. We on the other hand have capacity where we don't need it (at the moment). Large industrial sites and estates have huge capacity but no one to use it. Housing estates, like ours, have benefited from energy efficiencies but out weighed by the greater number of power using devices. On the circuit my house is fed via has a current rating of at the largest section of 360A. As the circuit moves further away from the substation the cross section of the cable reduces and so the rating. The average domestic ev charger will charge at 7kW which approximates to 30A. The number of properties connected is roughly 90. If only 50% of those connect an ev for charging its easy to see the problem. We run out of capacity on nearly every single low voltage circuit with domestic properties connected. Coordinated charging/discharge is a possible solution, but how that is achieved is an unsolved problem at the moment. There are various proposals on the table involving comms with the cars directly or via smart meters.

ChocolateTrees replied on 01/09/2021 10:14

Posted on 01/09/2021 09:16 by EmilysDad

A rather condescending reply from you .... this is the musings of said person. Would you like copy of his indentures?

National grid have no problem delivering their end of the bargain as they have capacity to spare. Mainly due to diminished commercial demand and, in some areas, more energy efficient domestic usage. We on the other hand have capacity where we don't need it (at the moment). Large industrial sites and estates have huge capacity but no one to use it. Housing estates, like ours, have benefited from energy efficiencies but out weighed by the greater number of power using devices. On the circuit my house is fed via has a current rating of at the largest section of 360A. As the circuit moves further away from the substation the cross section of the cable reduces and so the rating. The average domestic ev charger will charge at 7kW which approximates to 30A. The number of properties connected is roughly 90. If only 50% of those connect an ev for charging its easy to see the problem. We run out of capacity on nearly every single low voltage circuit with domestic properties connected. Coordinated charging/discharge is a possible solution, but how that is achieved is an unsolved problem at the moment. There are various proposals on the table involving comms with the cars directly or via smart meters.

Posted on 01/09/2021 10:14

See - now that is more helpful, actual constructive thought process, and is useful in so far as identifies the potential problems at the local DNO level. But is also acknowledging the validity of the information from national grid. So it actually IS what your mate said, but with local caveats. 

The problem I have with "thats not quite what a mate of mine said" is it's a blanket statement refuting the credibility of the national grid statement, which he didn't do. He agreed with the national grid. But he has a valid point from a different perspective which needs attention. 

If you had chosen to post the musings verbatim to start with, we could have had an open dialogue, but refutation without evidence is pointless. 

EmilysDad replied on 01/09/2021 10:21

Posted on 31/08/2021 22:02 by ChocolateTrees

DT, that’s not the opinion of the national grid who seem to have studied the topic, and made it the number one myth busted on their own FAQ on EVs.

 

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero/5-myths-about-electric-vehicles-busted

 

 

Posted on 01/09/2021 10:21

Continuing  from previous post ... what happens when your other half has an EV & it needs charging & then children each need their car charging? Will the 60A or 100A supply fuse support 4 cars? And then when your neighbours all want 2/3/4/ or cars charging will the supplies to your street support them all? You can't move for cars on our estate at the weekend when most people are at home.

I love the idea of leccy cars but I don't believe they are the only answer to our problems. I can't see us getting very far with leccy HGVs or planes

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