Land Rover DPF issues

Bluemalaga replied on 12/05/2018 10:00

Posted on 12/05/2018 10:00

My car has been with my dealer for nearly 4 weeks waiting for Land Rover to authorise a warranty replacement of the DP Filter following an amber warning followed within 2 miles of a red Filter full warning.

Land Rover assist were called late afternoon and arrived close to 5.00pm .Checks carried out showed that the filter was at a level that could be regenerated by the technician. However as it was late in his shift, he was not able to do so as it was time to go home. He advised it would be ok to drive 4 miles home and his colleague would attend first thing the following day. The second technician ran some tests and found the filter now to blocked to carry out a re-gen and the car would need to be transported to the dealer where it still sits.

I was advised by the dealer that the filter would need to be replaced and it would be very expensive, Land Rover were asked to cover the cost of replacement but after three weeks of claiming that no case had been raised, they declined claiming that the cause was the driving style and that diesel cars are purchased by people intending to drive at 70mph for long periods.

I have had the car for 2 years without an issue, so doubt very much if the driving style is the issue or it would have surfaced earlier.

I would be very interested to hear specifically from and member who has had similar experience with a Land Rover. I am looking for supporting evidence that Land Rover are using this excuse to avoid warranty claims, as there appears to be some accounts online.

Very grateful for only Land Rover related replies in this case.

lornalou1 replied on 15/05/2018 23:32

Posted on 15/05/2018 23:32

there were more problems with the earlier DPF's as they were fitted to far away from the exhaust manifold so never got as hot as needed to burn the soot but nowadays they are fitted reasonably close which helps to keep them somewhat cleaner. the sensors however are another problem.

ScreenName5BF15314BC replied on 16/05/2018 06:17

Posted on 16/05/2018 06:17

In addition to my previous comments, if you do low mileage and  short journeys change the engine oil and filter every 5/6 k( as in the old days and regardless of what the service book states) with a good quality oil with low sulphur ash content. Every time forced regeneration takes place small amounts of fuel enter the sump diluting the oil.

ocsid replied on 16/05/2018 06:28

Posted on 16/05/2018 06:28

I don't know that I agree with the concept of blasting the vehicle at excessively high engine revs as a concept to clean up a DPF. Doing that means for the given power the engine will be pumping way too much air so the turbo exit temperature will not be as hot as if more modest revs were employed to generate the required power.

A vehicle with a DPF is going to be modern, with the technology aimed to limit black smoke from the combustion, so run as intended but at quite high speed so power, could well result in as good a filter cleaning conditions being presented as possible. What most in trouble with them probably lack is the sustained time to do that cleaning process.

These DPFs can only be cleaned of the carbon and tars, the inevitable ash simply accumulates over use, being the finite life limiting issue with them. Those I have looked into their specs are designed for a useful life in the 90 to 100k miles range for domestic market cars.

Here re ash the use of the right engine oil is a major factor as that will be the primary contributor; those using mineral two stroke oil to stabilise the low speed combustion quieting things down a bit, are simply inviting a build up of excessive ash in any DPF.

I often wonder if towing helps or hinders DPF regeneration? I suspect the market pressures to optimise fuel consumption tends to make those with auto GBs seek via their control system to run in too low a gear when then asked to run in towing mode requiring rather high torque conditions. That being so  selecting "sport" or holding down just one gear I feel would best optimise a clean up; ie not excessive revs but avoiding running in a way that is just holding onto too higher gear.

A interesting area, one I wish I was still young enough to be involved with, to better understand and assess the current thinking in the industry. 

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 16/05/2018 06:53

Posted on 16/05/2018 06:53

I’ll leave the hearsay, anecdotes & well meaning family members & rely on my own experience. If anything does go wrong with the DPF I’ll sue the S/mkts & call ‘Frank down the pub’ to give evidence😂😂😂. 

Milothedog replied on 16/05/2018 09:32

Posted on 16/05/2018 09:32

When I was still at work the fleet of 2000 London Buses we operated all had some form of filter and emission control system, either DPF or CRT.  There were no great issue's with them. We used cheap fuel, the vehicles were run between 12 and 18 hours a day in stop start conditions, average speed about 9 MPH, 7 days a week. Servicing is the key. London Buses are serviced every 4 weeks, and they also have to meet lower pollution levels to operate in central London. (reduced emissions cert) done at annual test.

The only things that were troublesome were the early Add Blue systems which used to clog with crystallized urea  and put the MIL light on in the instrument panel and de-rate the vehicle until the issue was rectified.

From what I remember the filters are cleanable of all contamination including ash. ours used to go back the manufacturer "Emminox" who had a process of putting them in an oven at something like 800 degrees for 12 hrs. 

 

One issue we did have that cost us a lot of money (£3000+ each) was theft (Scrap value) over night at some of the more remote locations of our Garages. surprised

EmilysDad replied on 16/05/2018 13:04

Posted on 16/05/2018 13:04

We bought our caravan from a motor home dealer. When were there a motorhome was  being moved & I commented on the fact it's exhaust was very loud ie blowing. Apparently this dealer routinely removed cats from vehicles left on their fore court due to theft.

Milothedog replied on 16/05/2018 13:44

Posted on 16/05/2018 13:04 by EmilysDad

We bought our caravan from a motor home dealer. When were there a motorhome was  being moved & I commented on the fact it's exhaust was very loud ie blowing. Apparently this dealer routinely removed cats from vehicles left on their fore court due to theft.

Posted on 16/05/2018 13:44

Our biggest theft was 9 CRT filters from 9 buses (they are about the same size as a 6kg calor bottle) at our Garage in Rainham Essex, to get them out from under the vehicles they had to dig out the shingle hard standing beside each vehicle in the adjacent parking area to the workshops.  

Swifty2018 replied on 16/05/2018 20:10

Posted on 16/05/2018 13:04 by EmilysDad

We bought our caravan from a motor home dealer. When were there a motorhome was  being moved & I commented on the fact it's exhaust was very loud ie blowing. Apparently this dealer routinely removed cats from vehicles left on their fore court due to theft.

Posted on 16/05/2018 20:10

Em-Bee at Heywood?

xtrailman replied on 17/05/2018 07:25

Posted on 13/05/2018 21:55 by flatcoat

DPF failure is a common problem across all marques, not just L/R. Low speed and low mileage use adds to the problem as does use of supermarket fuel. There is a company which chemically cleans DPF’s at a fraction of replacement cost however the best way to minimise future problems is always use VPower/Ultimate type fuels and unless your normal driving pattern regularly involves a long high speed journey (30 miles), give the car an Italian tune up once a month. 

Might be worth contacting Honest John for advice regarding a case for L/R contributing to replacement of the DPF. 

Posted on 17/05/2018 07:25

No its not common.  And using supermarket fuel makes no difference.

That's just one of the many excuses for a failure, fact is if the DPF doesn't get a regen a burn it will fill, it could be the LR system relies on the DPF differential pressure to initiate a burn, so a sensor out of range could be the issue.

I have driven DPF cars since 2009 and never had an issue other than oil rise in the sump because I've interrupted a burn.

My mileage is only 7K max a year with 90% local driving, but NOT city driving in stop start traffic. Only time my car sees a motorway is when towing or the odd trip to relatives say 5 times a year.

I forgot to mention 99% on Tesco fuel, rest I put anything in usually when away towing.

xtrailman replied on 17/05/2018 07:34

Posted on 14/05/2018 19:23 by flatcoat

It is more of a preventative measure than a cure. Unless you drive regularly on the m/way at speed, the best itslian tune up is to drive for at least 20 miles and keeping the revs upwards of 3000rpm (hold in a lower gear). As referred to earlier use premium fuels and the occasional bottle of Millers or Forte fuel system cleaner (or better still separate injector, turbo and DPF cleaner in each of 3 successive tanks) will also help keep the engine in optimum condition. The added cost of premium fuel and cleaners is less than replacing the DPF, turbo, EGR or injectors...

Posted on 17/05/2018 07:34

 

A modern diesel requires no Italian tune up which only adds more soot to the DPF unless a burn is taking place, and additives to the fuel is not what the manual advises, they can damage the emissions system.

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