PHEV/EV Charging

You're way behind with technology Redface.

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Boats on our waterways ,seem to have a method of using metered electricity when moored up at EHUs  by the use of a smart card  

It may be the future but will be very expensive.to install on the thousands of EHUs on this clubs sites especially  and as very few are owned by this club it would only be a viable proposition if the leases on sites were long enough and secure enough to make it viable 

Further "we are working on it" update from Ofgem on Friday.

"We’re still waiting for our legal team to review, however, they’ve said they’re aiming to provide us with comments by the end of next week."

In the meantime, Tesla opened 15 of their UK supercharging locations last week to non-tesla drivers. As a result Banbury now has 37 open rapid charger posts in 3 locations across 5 vendors, of which 34 are ultra-rapid (125Kw or more). Thats an incredible resource, and how reasonable sized towns need to be. 

 

Eventually got the charging info on the chargers at Cayton Village site. 

“There are different charging options - £1.90 for 10 Kw / £3.80 20 Kw / £5.70 fr 30kw / £7.60 for 40Kw, hopefully this gives the picture the scale climbs.

You won't need an app, this can be paid by contactless payment. Nayax are the payment provider.”

No a bad rate at 19p/kWh!

We’re at Bridlington this week, used the free charger at Tesco yesterday for a 2 hour top up so won’t be paying £9 for a top up at the van. 

Cheers for that Yorkieloiner

A full charger on our PHEV requires 10 kWh max so £1.90, just don't understand were the CMC gets these £9.00 from ?

I have started using Octopus Juice we are paying around 33p kWh a substantial saving on the CMC fixed £9.00 charge.

We have just come back from a lovely CL on the border of Lincolnshire and Rutland, near Stamford. It's new, only opened last year, and they have hookups. For this season, they have just introduced meters for each pitch. A small standard meter in a shed clearly labeled, with the current electricity price shown in the shed. They ask you to read the meter on checkin and checkout and calculate the number of units (kWh) used. You have 10 kWh included free with the pitch per night. Them simply pay for any excess used in the same way you pay for the pitch (BACS or cash). All the terms are clearly laid out by the owner in an email before you complete booking so you know what the situation is. 

https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/certificated-locations/england/rutland/belmesthorpe/skylark-barn/

For our 4 night stay, we used about 31kWh, so all included in the pitch fee. That was 2 adults using fridge, kettle, heating and hot water for showers and washing up. 

Had we wanted to charge the car we could easily have done so, simply paying for exactly what we used. As it happens, we charged while out and about and didn't need to charge on pitch. 

This is definitely the way forward, making campers aware of their usage and responsible for their self regulation on pitch. 

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29p/kWh. The going rate, both acceptable and usefull.

So - I got a full response from Ofgem in italics below. I have also forwarded this to the club. 

Net net - the PHEV price is probably not legal. The full EV price is probably fine. 

 

Apologies for the delay in coming back to you; as we explain in the “Taking Control” guide, it’s not always clear at first glance how the supply (and reselling) rules apply in different EV charging scenarios.

 

You should be aware that Ofgem does not advise on individual cases and, therefore, we’re unable to provide specific advice; however, in order to give as much assistance as possible, we’ve provided some information below but this is not intended as legal advice or to be fully comprehensive.

 

In short, we do consider accommodation used for holidaying purposes to be within scope of the reselling rules (see appendix 1 of the2002 MRP decision document).

 

However, the MRP would not apply if an inclusive charge were made for accommodation with no specified charge for electricity. Nor would it apply in a situation where a dedicated EV chargepoint is used. Based on the information you provided, it would appear that neither of these conditions are present: EV charging is done via a standard plugged connection, and payment is via a fee separate to the accommodation charge. Consequently, the MRP would apply to the EV charging arrangement you describe.

 

As our 2005 Guidance on the MRP explains, there are no hard and fast rules about the way in which the reseller calculates the bill for each individual purchaser. Ultimately it depends on whether or not the purchaser’s consumption is measured by way of a meter. As I understand it, this isn’t the case in this situation. As such, the reseller is responsible for estimating the bill on the basis of a methodology which must be explained to the purchaser on request. The reseller should use reasonable endeavours to recover no more than they paid for the power from their supplier.

 

You should be aware that while Ofgem has the power to set the MRP through a direction, we have no formal role in determining individual MRP disputes. These are, if necessary, resolved by the civil courts.

 

I hope this information is useful.

 

With regards,

[name removed by ChocolateTrees]

Innovation Link Advisor

Retail Directorate

10 South Colonnade

Canary Wharf

London

E14 4PU

Tel: 0207 901 xxxx

www.ofgem.gov.uk