Towing with an EV - trip report

ChocolateTrees replied on 26/11/2021 10:44

Posted on 26/11/2021 10:44

Warning - Very long post alert!

Towcar - Polestar 2 LongRange Dual motor Launch edition. (300kW motors (408ps) , 78kWh battery)
Caravan - Bailey Unicorn Vigo S3 Max weight upgrade.
2 Passengers on way - me and SWMBO - 4 on return (daughters joined us mid trip).
Start - Towcester in South Northants. Destination Borrowdale cub site in the Lake district.

7:00am 100%
We left home on the Friday morning (22nd Oct) at about 7:00am Car was charged to 100% over night and preconditioned using mains power. Roads were damp but clear skys and about 8C. Our route planned was A43 to M1, M1 to M6, M6 to Penrith and then down to Keswick and the site. I had planned for two charging stops, the 1st near Stoke on Trent and the second around Lancaster.

We got going in fairly light traffic until joining the M1. When towing with the EV, I set cruise at 56mph, but as soon as I find a big lorry, I tuck in behind it for slipstreaming and follow it. If a faster lorry comes past, I will pull out and follow that.
Progress was fine with a minor slow down on the M6 near J3, and good all through Birmingam. From getting started, I was watching my economy (kWh/100miles is how the car displays it) and looking for a number below 67 (lower is better) - my target for the journey. By Birmingham the number was at about 60 and I was very comfortable with a 2 stop strategy. Unfortunately, as we drove we were getting reports of major congestion on the M6 after Stafford with major queues. While that would be good for the EV economy - not so good for arrival time, so we opted for an early pit stop in Stafford services.

9:00am 35%
Stafford Northbound has two new Gridserve chargers and I had already looked at the location in the carpark. Ignoring the "caravans here" sign, we headed for the main carpark and found a quiet spot away from the cafe area near the white vans that accumulate there. Unhitched the van in a space, and I drove the 50 meters to the charger. One was in use and I popped the car on the other, starting the charge at 9:09. After 2 hours on the road I was ready for a coffee and cheeky bacon sarnie, so Greggs did the job. My wife and I took turns to head in and use the facilities, while the other guarded the van (corner steady down, sat inside). I consumed my coffee and food, opted for a second bathroom break and then we were ready to go again. 40 mins of charging yielded 34.7kWh (half a battery) and 72%. The charge was pretty slow by my cars standard averaging about 40kW


9:50am 72%
We hit the road again and battled through the rest of the M6 hold up with some rain kicking in. While in Stafford, we had decided to stop at Crow Orchard, a new 8 station charging hub South of Charnock Richard or - if the battery would stretch - at Charnock Richard, and then again near Penrith. The 1st stop at Stafford was earlier than I had planned and a 3 stop strategy seemed inevitable. As the miles rolled on, slipstreaming another big rig, I realised my economy was around 57kWh/100miles - much better than I had hoped. A quick calculation and look at WhatsApp and ABRP, revealed the E.ON chargers at Preston East - an ultra rapid, and in reach of our destination in one go if we got a good charge.

11:35 16% 164 miles
We pulled in again to the Starbucks at Preston East. A big wide space, right next to the 2 chargers was sitting waiting to take the caravan. Quick unhitch and onto charge. Once again, we took turns to use the facilities, had a coffee, and decided to eat a bit of early lunch. A couple of other EVs came and went, with the usual chatter (Is that a citroen - no, its a Polestar; What's it like towing the caravan - great; is it fast - very.) 48 mins ticked by and we hit the 90% needed to get all the way to Keswick. In the time it took me to get out and ready to unplug we hit 92.

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12:31 92%
The E.ON charger had been fast, 63kWh pulled in in 56 mins, still not as fast as the car can charge, but good. On the road one final time. We had a hard time finding a lorry to follow after ours inconsiderately left the M6 toward Blackpool, but did get onto one on the way up Shap. Economy suffered a bit, but not too badly, and I had built in a reserve. We left the M6 at Penrith, and headed down the A66. Back on the single lane section, it was much harder to keep the speed below 50. With the car set up to coast when my foot was off the accelerator, it would roll very easily over the speed limit on the down hill sections. Much attention needed.

14:30 11% 257 miles
We finally pulled into Borrowdale at about 2:30pm, having covered over 90 miles on the last leg, with 11% remaining. I paid for the pitch and paid for one nights EV charging from the post (£8). The wardens confirmed that we were the first full EV towing to use the site that they were aware of. We got set up and plugged the car in, with the car constrained to 8A to leave some headroom for the van appliances. By next morning we were back up to 55% and ready to head out.

Return Journey.

30/10/2021
8:40am 100% 7c Very wet 0miles
Again - we charged the car overnight on the Club site from the van, and preconditioned. The weather was poor, and had been for the last few days with the lakes making the national news due to rainfall. The lakes were high, rivers had burst, and the car had coped well.

We towed off the site, through Grange and gingerly headed back up toward Keswick, knowing there was at least one flooded section to drive through. Needn't have worried as the Polestar never missed a beat.
Heading up the A66 was miserable it was cold and wet and uphill all the way to Penrith. The target economy of 67 kWk/100m was nowhere to be seen with more like 85 showing. I told myself "its all up hill here, and Shap is downhill" and kept going. We joined the M6, and it was empty. Usually great for a holiday, but not if you want to follow a lorry. After a few mins we spotted on in the distance ahead and I eased the car up to 60 to catch it. We ducked into its stream and followed it to Preston. I shouldn't have worried as I was right; as soon as we were on the motorway, heading down hill and with a windbreaker lorry, the economy climbed and we were back below the target 67 by Kendal. Whilst we could have gone further on the battery charge remaining, we opted for the same stop as we had on the way up, as the driver and one passenger really needed to. Making the diversion into Preston East, we popped into exactly the same spot and charger as on the way up.

10:40am 17% 93 Miles
The sun came out, as we parked the caravan, this time with 4 of us. Coffee and hot chocolate, and a rapid charge. Target was 85%, but we hit 87% in 48 mins, loading in 60kWh. This time we had a two stop strategy in mind and I was aiming for Hilton Park services north of Birmingham.

11:30 87%
Back on the road, and the weather continued to improve. Following lorries all the way down, we got to Hilton Park services with no issues.

1:24pm 18% 187 miles
At Hilton park, the Caravan bays are separated from the main carpark by a low wall. We pulled into the caravan area and un-hitched. I then drove round to the charger and got started.
We manually turned the van round through 180, got a steady down and set up for loo stops and lunch. For whatever reason the new gridserve charger was on a go slow, delivering 51kWh in an hour. It didn't really matter as we ate lunch in the caravan, and had a coffee after. Our target was 80% and we left with 83% for the final leg home.

2:50pm 21% 260 miles
A stilly mistake as we came to the end of the M6, I got in the wrong lane, and ended up on the A14 east instead of the M1 south. Having chastised myself, we got of at the 1st junction and decided to head direct south through Northampton to home. A slightly longer route over all, but not as long as going back to the M1. We got home around 15 mins later than we would have hoped.

Take aways.
Average consumption
Outbound 57kWh/100miles;
Return leg - 60.6kWh/100m
(usually 34-36kWh/100m Solo)

1) The weather on the way back made a huge difference - wet more than cold impacts the economy.
2) We charged too much for the last section, I built in a good 15% more than I needed to, which was perhaps 15-17 mins of charging.
3) Planning really helps - knowing where you can stop, but not necessarily where you WILL stop. Gives you options.
4) Motorway services are not bad - just make up your own rules as to where you will park, and ask forgiveness rather than permission (not that I needed to).
5) Non-motorway services work really well too.
6) Longer distance caravanning works great in an EV if you are prepared to stop (like me). For those who want to do a 6 hour 300 mile tow in one go, not so much.
7) Would I trade in the extra range for going back to an ICE tow car? Emphatic no for me. The Kia EV6 would be on my list of tow cars though for the ultra rapid (18min 10-80%) charge speed.

VanVista replied on 23/08/2023 15:54

Posted on 23/08/2023 15:54

I found this an interesting read.  We have a Kia eNiro but were advised that it wasn't suitable for towing but obviously the EV6 can tow.

Charging up on a journey seems quite straight forward, obviously unhitching then going to the charging stations, but I wonder about charging once you get to your site.  I realise you can "granny charge" but wouldn't that take a long time?  Can you tell me your charging regime once on site please?  

 

Thanks.  

 

 

Tinwheeler replied on 23/08/2023 16:16

Posted on 23/08/2023 15:54 by VanVista

I found this an interesting read.  We have a Kia eNiro but were advised that it wasn't suitable for towing but obviously the EV6 can tow.

Charging up on a journey seems quite straight forward, obviously unhitching then going to the charging stations, but I wonder about charging once you get to your site.  I realise you can "granny charge" but wouldn't that take a long time?  Can you tell me your charging regime once on site please?  

 

Thanks.  

 

 

Posted on 23/08/2023 16:16

CAMC is installing some fast(er) chargers on some sites. See link -

https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/uk-holidays/uk-sites/club-campsites/facilities-on-club-sites/electric-vehicle-charging/

Btw, I share your frustration with regard to your earlier question and I have reported the issue.

ChocolateTrees replied on 23/08/2023 17:23

Posted on 23/08/2023 15:54 by VanVista

I found this an interesting read.  We have a Kia eNiro but were advised that it wasn't suitable for towing but obviously the EV6 can tow.

Charging up on a journey seems quite straight forward, obviously unhitching then going to the charging stations, but I wonder about charging once you get to your site.  I realise you can "granny charge" but wouldn't that take a long time?  Can you tell me your charging regime once on site please?  

 

Thanks.  

 

 

Posted on 23/08/2023 17:23

Hi VanVision,

Glad you found it interesting! Granny charging is slow - especially as I may turn down the rate below 10A to leave room for other consumers in the van. However, it can be very effective. On a few CLs I have used it (paid for and with permission) as my main charging source while on site. From 0% to 100% could take 48 hours, but spread over a week long stay, thats not really an issue. 

More likely though, I would use granny charging to give me say between 30% and 50% and then rely on local 7kW or rapid charging as needed. 

Our last trip away near Clitheroe, I asked the CL owner for permission to charge, but didn't actually use it. We did all our our charging on various posts at the places we were visiting, and made sure we had sufficient for our journey home before we left. 

If I do decide to charge on site, I use a 3 pin energy monitor plug running from a socket inside the van, with the granny lead directly attached, generally running at 8A. I ask the owner for their electricity rate, program that in the monitor, and pay them the accumulated amount at the end of the stay. Getting attached as soon as power is on in the van is ideal so the car can get on with charging while we do other things. 

wedgy replied on 24/08/2023 16:17

Posted on 24/08/2023 16:17

I looked it up. The biggest Thetford 3 way absorption fridge uses 205w peak 12v input. That equates to about 15 miles of distance on a usable 75kWh charge when towing. I.e. Fridge on would yield 15 miles less range than fridge off for the same full battery.

 

17 amperes through the 13 pin connection  ? surely not 🤔

ChocolateTrees replied on 24/08/2023 17:25

Posted on 24/08/2023 16:17 by wedgy

I looked it up. The biggest Thetford 3 way absorption fridge uses 205w peak 12v input. That equates to about 15 miles of distance on a usable 75kWh charge when towing. I.e. Fridge on would yield 15 miles less range than fridge off for the same full battery.

 

17 amperes through the 13 pin connection  ? surely not 🤔

Posted on 24/08/2023 17:25

That's what the datasheet says, but its a peak load. I guess the point is, for 205w you would loose 15 miles. A smaller fridge, smaller loss. 

DavidKlyne replied on 25/08/2023 10:02

Posted on 25/08/2023 10:02

I just thought I would add a link to the latest Andrew Ditton video on YouTube where he tows his caravan with his EV to the Caravan Salon Düsseldorf. It gives a bit of an insight into towing in Europe with an EV. Video here.

David

ChocolateTrees replied on 25/08/2023 10:50

Posted on 24/08/2023 17:25 by ChocolateTrees

That's what the datasheet says, but its a peak load. I guess the point is, for 205w you would loose 15 miles. A smaller fridge, smaller loss. 

Posted on 25/08/2023 10:50

Just thinking about this some more. 205W at 12V is indeed 17A, but 14v (The nominal voltage output of an alternator), its more like 14A. At 2.5mm2 the 13pin conductors are rated at 20A, so 14 to 17 seems reasonable. 

What I cant work out is how I got 15miles range loss from that number. On a 75kWh battery, I can get about 130 miles of towed range, which takes about 2.5 hours. If the fridge was flat out at 205W for 2.5 hours, it would consume 512Wh. Thats very close to 1 mile of range, never mind 15! (I must have messed up my maths somewhere). 

But this is interesting, as it shows just how little range is impacted by auxiliary equipment (things like lights, stereo, heated seats and steering wheel). By far the biggest impact is heating, and even that is very small in the grand scheme of things.

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