Servicing calls at CLs for Motorcaravans

Biggarmac replied on 18/01/2021 17:08

Posted on 18/01/2021 17:08

In 2020 when lockdown was lifted in July there was a surge of members desperate to get out in their units.  Sites were swamped and in some areas it was impossible to find a site.  Many motorcaravanners who had not previously gone off grid (I refuse to use the term wildcamp) found they had no choice.  I was lucky to get three nights on a CL at Blairgowrie during a 10 night tour. and one night on a commercial campsite in the Great Glen.  On other nights I stayed in Pub carparks where I was able to enjoy a meal, in forestry carparks, on coastal carparks and on friends drives.

The big problem was disposing of wastes and filling with water.  Friends with drives were very helpful, but the problem of lack of the type facilities such as there is on the continent was very evident.

On the continent many campsites allow non residents on to service their units, for a fee.  It could be an additional revenue stream for CL owners to allow passing trade to use their service points.  This would be particularly useful for CLs who are full to supplement their income and to reduce the problems which were seem in many popular tourist hotspots last year.  The owners would need to look at what extra costs they would have for this service and what services they would be able to provide.  For instance how much does 100 litres of water cost on a metered supply?  How much each toilet emptying would add to the cost of sewerage?  How much for emptying a greywater supply of say 80 litres?  For comparison the CCC, on some sites, allow members to use site facilities, empty wastes and fill water for £7.30 (last years price).  That also allows for the use of showers.

This would stop the complaint that one night stopovers to dump and fill are blocking longer bookings.  A drop in facility could be a bonus for both CL owners and Motorcaravanners.

EmilysDad replied on 19/01/2021 13:22

Posted on 19/01/2021 12:43 by

It might not be practical for all sites to offer a waste and refill option but there will be some sites where such a facility could be offered and perhaps it's time for the Club to experiment?

I, personally, have no desire for the club to provide these facilities for those choosing to stay where there are non. Whilst I do not directly condemn those doing so I see no reason for CMC to promote it.

Posted on 19/01/2021 13:22

 ... I, personally, have no desire for the club to provide these facilities for those choosing to stay where there are non. Whilst I do not directly condemn those doing so I see no reason for CMC to promote it.

why? .... you say you're never on the site through the day so they'd have little or no impact on you 

JVB66 replied on 19/01/2021 13:47

Posted on 19/01/2021 13:00 by peedee

The education for motorhomers is to point out that such freedom doesn't come without a cost.

I doubt this is true David. A survey last year in which 9000 owners responded indicated 96 percent of owners were willing to pay £10 per night just to park overnight and would pay more if there were motorhome services available as well. I think there are very very few who expect to pay nothing and of the 4 percent who wouldn't pay £10, considering it to be too expensive, they would probably be willing to pay something.

I think this year there will either be a shake up of the conventions in the UK which will attract more motorhome owners to tour the UK or a golden opportunity will be missed and might not be recovered perhaps for ever.

peedee

Posted on 19/01/2021 13:47

The percentage of motor caravaners that took the survey out of those on that are now registered in this country  was?

And as with all surveys the answers as any marketing dept will do will depend on the way the questions are formatedwink

Takethedogalong replied on 19/01/2021 14:33

Posted on 19/01/2021 14:33

I think we are now back to where we were when BM (OP) posted her original thread on a similar vein a few months ago.

There is a need for someone, be it a group of entrepreneurs, local councils, part of the landowning/farming community, etc.... to provide safe, simple, value for money overnight stops for those who like to tour, but don’t want more than a couple of nights in the same place. Space, firm under wheel, fill up tap, empty point, CDP point, secure book and pay system. In reality, a coach park plus. 

It won’t come via this Club, at least not until Motorhomes vastly outnumber caravans, and the Membership is more new to touring, rather than switching from a caravan to a motorhome. It has no reason to change its provision, which is based upon the majority of users pitching up for a longer period, wanting a full range of services, and happily paying for that provision. The Club thrives on long stayers, two weeks or more, even if it is split over two, three Club Sites. That’s it’s primary/preferred Site model. Fill as many pitches as possible, preferably as long as possible. Same with a lot of CLs, (and why some will be putting a minimum nights stay on their website no doubt, which I don’t blame them for, to a certain extent.) The basic CLs, with a lot less in terms of overheads to cover, perhaps merely enhancing another major income string, will remain truer to the original touring around provision.

The Club will only look to change this model, and possibly provide something it currently doesn’t, if it starts to hit the Membership fees drastically. It could put a toe in the water, and try a bit of this if it wanted, but it simply doesn’t need too at the moment. Money is being used in a different way, into glamping, because the rewards are greater. 

 

moulesy replied on 19/01/2021 15:10

Posted on 19/01/2021 13:22 by EmilysDad

 ... I, personally, have no desire for the club to provide these facilities for those choosing to stay where there are non. Whilst I do not directly condemn those doing so I see no reason for CMC to promote it.

why? .... you say you're never on the site through the day so they'd have little or no impact on you 

Posted on 19/01/2021 15:10

But I suspect,  admittedly with no evidence, that the majority of folk would want to use the facility either early in the morning or in the evening. It's certainly what I would do in that position,  no point breaking into the middle of a day out walking/touring to do this. In which case it wouldn't be folk out during the day who were affected.

replied on 19/01/2021 15:16

Posted on 19/01/2021 13:22 by EmilysDad

 ... I, personally, have no desire for the club to provide these facilities for those choosing to stay where there are non. Whilst I do not directly condemn those doing so I see no reason for CMC to promote it.

why? .... you say you're never on the site through the day so they'd have little or no impact on you 

Posted on 19/01/2021 15:16

I see no reason for CMC to promote it. is the answer.

I did not think that I had said quite that about tie on site. If the temperatures are hitting 30c I am likely to return around 3pm to seek shade depending on where I have been and in such conditions I am likely to have the odd chill out day- probably one in ten. However regardless of that I will reinforce my first sentence.

replied on 19/01/2021 15:24

Posted on 19/01/2021 14:33 by Takethedogalong

I think we are now back to where we were when BM (OP) posted her original thread on a similar vein a few months ago.

There is a need for someone, be it a group of entrepreneurs, local councils, part of the landowning/farming community, etc.... to provide safe, simple, value for money overnight stops for those who like to tour, but don’t want more than a couple of nights in the same place. Space, firm under wheel, fill up tap, empty point, CDP point, secure book and pay system. In reality, a coach park plus. 

It won’t come via this Club, at least not until Motorhomes vastly outnumber caravans, and the Membership is more new to touring, rather than switching from a caravan to a motorhome. It has no reason to change its provision, which is based upon the majority of users pitching up for a longer period, wanting a full range of services, and happily paying for that provision. The Club thrives on long stayers, two weeks or more, even if it is split over two, three Club Sites. That’s it’s primary/preferred Site model. Fill as many pitches as possible, preferably as long as possible. Same with a lot of CLs, (and why some will be putting a minimum nights stay on their website no doubt, which I don’t blame them for, to a certain extent.) The basic CLs, with a lot less in terms of overheads to cover, perhaps merely enhancing another major income string, will remain truer to the original touring around provision.

The Club will only look to change this model, and possibly provide something it currently doesn’t, if it starts to hit the Membership fees drastically. It could put a toe in the water, and try a bit of this if it wanted, but it simply doesn’t need too at the moment. Money is being used in a different way, into glamping, because the rewards are greater. 

 

Posted on 19/01/2021 15:24

It won’t come via this Club, at least not until Motorhomes vastly outnumber caravans, and the Membership is more new to touring, rather than switching from a caravan to a motorhome. 

Many stay for a shorter time on a site. I stay 5 nights to see the area. I often see others doing similar. 

Takethedogalong replied on 19/01/2021 15:39

Posted on 19/01/2021 15:39

Yes I know you do, as do lots of others, and indeed ourselves. But we also do one and two night stops, and whilst the Club doesn’t penalise us in any way for this, it does charge us, at times and at certain locations, a substantial amount of money for a single 14 hour park up. Hurn Lane cost us £30 for arriving at nearly 8pm, off again at 10am, and a dog walk unfit for a tiny chihuahua let alone a Labrador in terms of size and space. It remains my single most badly planned one night stop of the last 30 years. Even the Warden (very nice) apologised at the price! Our chosen stop over had an event on close by, and we got caught out, just in case anyone is wondering.......

Five nights in one place is a long time if we are touring. You are a caravanner, you visit things like a Hobbit, there and back again to your pitched up bed, until you move on. We go look at something, might be 30 miles away, so we find somewhere on the route, as our bed goes with us. We like our van for long stopovers, but the MH tends to tour. Slightly different.

eurortraveller replied on 19/01/2021 15:55

Posted on 19/01/2021 14:33 by Takethedogalong

I think we are now back to where we were when BM (OP) posted her original thread on a similar vein a few months ago.

There is a need for someone, be it a group of entrepreneurs, local councils, part of the landowning/farming community, etc.... to provide safe, simple, value for money overnight stops for those who like to tour, but don’t want more than a couple of nights in the same place. Space, firm under wheel, fill up tap, empty point, CDP point, secure book and pay system. In reality, a coach park plus. 

It won’t come via this Club, at least not until Motorhomes vastly outnumber caravans, and the Membership is more new to touring, rather than switching from a caravan to a motorhome. It has no reason to change its provision, which is based upon the majority of users pitching up for a longer period, wanting a full range of services, and happily paying for that provision. The Club thrives on long stayers, two weeks or more, even if it is split over two, three Club Sites. That’s it’s primary/preferred Site model. Fill as many pitches as possible, preferably as long as possible. Same with a lot of CLs, (and why some will be putting a minimum nights stay on their website no doubt, which I don’t blame them for, to a certain extent.) The basic CLs, with a lot less in terms of overheads to cover, perhaps merely enhancing another major income string, will remain truer to the original touring around provision.

The Club will only look to change this model, and possibly provide something it currently doesn’t, if it starts to hit the Membership fees drastically. It could put a toe in the water, and try a bit of this if it wanted, but it simply doesn’t need too at the moment. Money is being used in a different way, into glamping, because the rewards are greater. 

 

Posted on 19/01/2021 15:55

With reference to your  second paragraph...

If 50 hired vans were passing my door on the NC 500 every day, some UK first timers and others overseas visitors , it would strike me that running a CL just for 5 CMC members was a bit of a loser.  

It needs someone with more of a business brain. 

Takethedogalong replied on 19/01/2021 16:08

Posted on 19/01/2021 16:08

That’s possibly why there aren’t that many CLs up there EuroT👍Interestingly, there don’t appear to be many Britstop opportunities either. 
It’s a strange one really. Fabulous marketing has seen an unbelievable surge in folks desperate to do the route, but it doesn’t appear that the current infrastructure can cope. To me, it’s very appeal was in its unspoilt remoteness, the fact that you could travel all day, and hardly see a soul. That’s what my Sister said it was liked when she lived in Lairg. Doubt it’s like that now.

replied on 19/01/2021 16:34

Posted on 19/01/2021 16:34

Five nights in one place is a long time if we are touring. You are a caravanner, you visit things like a Hobbit, there and back again to your pitched up bed, until you move on. We go look at something, might be 30 miles away. 

I am not sure that your comparison with Hobbits stands up too well. It is over 45 years since I read  Tolkien's trilogy. From  my memory The Hobbits were generally unlike Bilbo and Sam and rarely left The Shire. Bilbo and Sam seemed to travel very much rather than staying in one spot after leaving home. It is a while ago though.

It is rare that we would travel 30 miles and return. Generally on daily trips 20 miles would be tops to a destination and usually less, therefore, most days. Usually we would make circular trips to visit 2, or occasionally 3 locations. 

CMC sites are expensive if you do not require the daily facilities, but it does not concern us. We don't need the washroom, toilet or showers but we pay for them on many sites.

 

 

 

 

 

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