EHIC 'Replacement' part of 'The Deal'

ValDa replied on 27/12/2020 13:26

Posted on 27/12/2020 13:26

Details Here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/agreements-reached-between-the-united-kingdom-of-great-britain-and-northern-ireland-and-the-european-union/summary-explainer?fbclid=IwAR1U-ee2Kxq65rV537isGpnQncbB2bkZa8B6Uuaxzw-HMb-xERS990IuoOc#trade-and-cooperation-agreement-overview

Title I - Social Security Coordination
113. The provisions in the Protocol on Social Security Coordination will ensure that individuals who move between the UK and the EU in the future will have their social security position in respect of certain important benefits protected. Individuals will be able to have access to a range of social security benefits, including reciprocal healthcare cover and an uprated state pension.

114. This Protocol supports business and trade by ensuring that cross- border workers and their employers are only liable to pay social security contributions in one state at a time. Generally, this will be in the country where work is undertaken, irrespective of whether the worker resides within the EU or the UK, or indeed whether the employer is based in the EU or the UK.

115. UK workers who are sent by their employer to work temporarily in an EU Member State which has agreed to apply the “detached worker” rules will remain liable to only pay social security contributions in the UK for the period of work in that EU Member State. Similarly, if an EU worker is sent by their employer to work temporarily in the UK from a Member State which has agreed to apply the “detached worker” rules, they will remain liable to only pay contributions in that EU Member State.

116. Under the Protocol, the UK and EU Member States will be able to take into account relevant contributions paid into each other’s social security systems, or relevant periods of work or residence, by individuals for determining entitlement to a state pension and to a range of benefits. This will provide a good level of protection for people working in the UK and EU Member States. The Protocol also provides for the uprating of the UK State Pension paid to pensioners who retire to the EU.

117. On healthcare, where the UK or an EU Member State is responsible for the healthcare of an individual, they will be entitled to reciprocal healthcare cover. This includes certain categories of cross-border workers and state pensioners who retire to the UK or to the EU.

118. In addition, the Protocol will ensure necessary healthcare provisions – akin to those provided by the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) scheme – continue. This means individuals who are temporarily staying in another country, for example a UK national who is in an EU Member State for a holiday, will have their necessary healthcare needs met for the period of their stay.

119. The Protocol also protects the ability of individuals to seek authorisation to receive planned medical treatment in the UK or the EU, funded by their responsible State.

My take on this: If you have a current EHIC you should keep it until advised how to obtain a replacement.

harryb replied on 27/12/2020 18:16

Posted on 27/12/2020 17:01 by brue

It looks as though a provisional card will be available. See various details on this gov.uk LINK

Posted on 27/12/2020 18:16

The process is mind boggling. I've just tried it and it offered me nothing as a UK citizen on holiday.

I'll just do what I've always done, the same as Peedee, take out Red Pennant

SeasideBill replied on 27/12/2020 18:41

Posted on 27/12/2020 18:41

I’m not sure the intention is to provide health insurance for holidays, but a scheme to recognise insurability under EU law. 

The following extract from the guidance states:

“Using a new UK EHIC from 1 January 2021
Some people may be able to get a new UK-issued EHIC, which will remain valid after 1 January 2021.

You can apply if you're:
a UK State Pensioner or receiving some other exportable benefits, and you have a registered S1 form or E121”

So, if you’re in the EU and entitled to a UK qualifying pension or contribution based benefit you are entitled to state healthcare paid for by the UK. Beyond that I’m not sure there is a general entitlement for UK citizens?

LLM replied on 27/12/2020 19:01

Posted on 27/12/2020 19:01

I doubt that any application can be made, accepted or issued until the trade deal comes into force.  Apart from the starting date being five days away, there are a number of other hoops to be jumped through before it can all begin.  

SeasideBill replied on 27/12/2020 19:05

Posted on 27/12/2020 16:27 by Philnffc

Hi

About a two months ago in the El Pais newspaper PM Sanchez stated that if there was a deal Spain would offer Brits a six month visa to mainly cover people with second homes here  but the same would apply for overwinterers.too.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted on 27/12/2020 19:05

Researching that point a bit future, I can’t find any clear statement of intent from a reliable source, but it seems the Portuguese are more inclined to grant a 180 day stay if permitted by EU law. That would require an amendment to the Schengen Agreement so I’m not holding my breath. However, there are some very strong economic drivers for Spain & Portugal, so who knows?

ValDa replied on 27/12/2020 19:07

Posted on 27/12/2020 18:41 by SeasideBill

I’m not sure the intention is to provide health insurance for holidays, but a scheme to recognise insurability under EU law. 

The following extract from the guidance states:

“Using a new UK EHIC from 1 January 2021
Some people may be able to get a new UK-issued EHIC, which will remain valid after 1 January 2021.

You can apply if you're:
a UK State Pensioner or receiving some other exportable benefits, and you have a registered S1 form or E121”

So, if you’re in the EU and entitled to a UK qualifying pension or contribution based benefit you are entitled to state healthcare paid for by the UK. Beyond that I’m not sure there is a general entitlement for UK citizens?

Posted on 27/12/2020 19:07

That is referring to the old EHIC and the replacement for pensioners living in Europe (who are covered by their S1, under the NHS).  The new guidance linked to in my original post quite clearly mentioned holidays, as follows:

118. In addition, the Protocol will ensure necessary healthcare provisions – akin to those provided by the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) scheme – continue. This means individuals who are temporarily staying in another country, for example a UK national who is in an EU Member State for a holiday, will have their necessary healthcare needs met for the period of their stay.


This link is to the updated post-deal information:

Post Brexit changes - Gov.uk

Y
ou will need to scroll right down to section 4.4 paragraph 113 onwards.

SeasideBill replied on 27/12/2020 19:15

Posted on 27/12/2020 19:07 by ValDa

That is referring to the old EHIC and the replacement for pensioners living in Europe (who are covered by their S1, under the NHS).  The new guidance linked to in my original post quite clearly mentioned holidays, as follows:

118. In addition, the Protocol will ensure necessary healthcare provisions – akin to those provided by the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) scheme – continue. This means individuals who are temporarily staying in another country, for example a UK national who is in an EU Member State for a holiday, will have their necessary healthcare needs met for the period of their stay.


This link is to the updated post-deal information:

Post Brexit changes - Gov.uk

Y
ou will need to scroll right down to section 4.4 paragraph 113 onwards.

Posted on 27/12/2020 19:15

Ok, thank you.

Philnffc replied on 31/12/2020 17:46

Posted on 27/12/2020 17:38 by SeasideBill

Yes, great news, I’ll keep an eye open for that development. If Spain went down that road Portugal would likely do the same. 

Posted on 31/12/2020 17:46

Hi 

An update today from the Spanish Government for UK residents from 1/1/2021 if you want to stay beyond your 90 days you can  get a visa for £516 each.

Phil

http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/LONDRES/en/Consulado/Pages/Visas.aspx?fbclid=IwAR11bYnBBLqEp31bsgrQqUQXQXvjkca0e9eRtHRh8ykgtE_2qolFjODfN90

Tigi replied on 03/01/2021 18:44

Posted on 03/01/2021 18:44

EHIC to be replaced by a GHIC (Global) still not confirmed if it will apply to Norway, Switzerland etc and Global should not be taken literally.

DavidKlyne replied on 03/01/2021 21:38

Posted on 31/12/2020 17:46 by Philnffc

Hi 

An update today from the Spanish Government for UK residents from 1/1/2021 if you want to stay beyond your 90 days you can  get a visa for £516 each.

Phil

http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/LONDRES/en/Consulado/Pages/Visas.aspx?fbclid=IwAR11bYnBBLqEp31bsgrQqUQXQXvjkca0e9eRtHRh8ykgtE_2qolFjODfN90

Posted on 03/01/2021 21:38

I am just wondering what part of £516 each is considered good value or worthwhile? 

David

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